newbie motor question

[rajsid]

Is there a concept of 'Crate Motor" in the porsche world?
Are porsche fans into 'Numbers Matching' cars?

I am looking at a 69 911 in good (body) shape without the motor. It has the original trans, but needs rebuilding. I was wondering if I could buy a brand new motor and maybe even put in a new trans.

[e3photo]

Welcome,

I don't know about a new motor, but you could get a used or rebuilt motor and tranny, then you would be good to go.

Cheers,
Emerald

[JoeMag]

+1 on rebuild. I have never heard of 'crate motor'. If you're wrench type guy, give it a wirl the build your own motor. ...you have lots of help here, and get Wayne's 911 motor rebuild book.

[rajsid]

Originally Posted by JoeMag

+1 on rebuild. I have never heard of 'crate motor'. If you're wrench type guy, give it a wirl the build your own motor. ...you have lots of help here, and get Wayne's 911 motor rebuild book.

Does, not having the original motor (what it rolled out fo the factory with) depreciate the value of the car?

[timc]

Originally Posted by rajsid

Does, not having the original motor (what it rolled out fo the factory with) depreciate the value of the car?

Every part on the car that is not OEM takes value from a complete OEM early 911. By OEM I mean the orig parts/numbers that came on the car. So if you buy a complete numbers matching car, then you swap the engine out, you will get less for the car then if it had the OEM engine. You are buying a car that is already missing the engine, so not sure what you are worried about, as I'm sure the price reflects the missing engine. So your car will never be worth what it would have been with the OEM engine, but, if it is a nice car it will still hold a good value.

Your best bet is to search these boards for a used 2.0 liter, or a 3.0 / 3.2 if you want more HP, install and drive it. The 2.0's and 2.2's are bullet proof and seem to last forever.

[relayswitcher]

Hey RagSid, A 911 2.2 is a work horse and does have power enough if you don't need to be racing around on the highway like a fool. The 2.2 is a nice cruiser engine every bit Porsche for driving around the beach and mountain highways. There is difference in 2.2 and a 3.6 but then you get into having on board computer crap to worry about and to modify. I noticed your post because in a few months I am rebuilding a 2.2 from ground up. I also have the transmission for that came with it. I'm building it to place in a couple when I find one.... or I may sell it outright and price depending on what I have to replace after inspection after teardown. I'm doing a 3.0L SC engine right now and done by Nov. A 2.7L by February and may do the 2.2 at the same time depending on my cash flow. I'm near Palm Springs so in California, too.
Welcome to the site and good luck on what you decide to do with your '69. CAN WE SEE A PHOTO OF THE CAR?
Regards, Relayswitcher / JOSH

This is the 911T 2.2 6cyl with carbs and transmission still attached.

[sww914]

I've driven a lot of 911's, 997S's 996TT's, 993TT's Heavily modified 964T's, on and on down the line. One that sticks out as one of the most fun that I've ever been in was a 2.2E. Completely spunky, sounded cool, I could actually feel the road in it and it gave a nice kick in the pants at almost any RPM's. It was actually owned by one of the founders of Slime, the tire stuff.

[deathpunk dan]

Relayswitcher - are you going with a stock 2.2T rebuild or something a bit spicier? I think higher compression pistons and E/Solex cams are the way to go. Recurve the 008 to E spec or buy a nice 006 and call it a day.

[euro911sc]

There is no such thing as a 'Crate Motor' in the Porsche world. Though, I suspect you could call Porsche and order a new motor and it would come in a crate... it would be outrageously expensive

Most people just find something to fill the space. Some actually post looking for the case that has the right number on it. You can get this from the Cardex (Porsche sells the build info for your car). Though, I have heard, it is not that accurate all the time and especially for the older cars. You could also look for an engine that has a S/N that is in the number range for your year/make. Either way, if your numbers do not match you will never get super top $ for it and you may loose points at the Concours... if that is your goal? There are some here who are REALLY REALLY into being correct including the stampings on the bolt heads and studs (you know who you are!)... there are some who could care less... but, we're all friends and we'll help ya out as much as we can

You could throw a later 3.0/3.2 in there if you felt like hot-rodding the car Porsche style. These engines are very reliable and the 3.2 gets decent gas milage as well The 2.X's are great engines as mentioned above outside of the 2.7. I would recommend not going with a 2.7 due to a variety of reasons. A 3.6... while tempting would be too much

I would just rebuild the tranny. No need to buy a whole new one and if the engine only is not matching you may get more out of it later if you choose to put a like OEM power plant in there.

Enjoy!

-Michael

[Schwarzeritter]

Yes & No, on the number matching, I think it certantly would depend on the specific car in question and ofcourse history, by that if the car had some sort of racing history etc.

It all really depends on what kind of car your vehicles catagory falls into.
Generally with Porsche owners I think there is more attention too for exsample number matching. However there are the ocasions where a car is beyond acceptional and the tuning was that special that the value was increased. Alot of factors play into a car and its more on a case to case then just saying " oh what not the original engine " pish-pish its worthless.

You could own a early 911 spend the time in really restoring the car and build a nice original engine and end up with a car most certantly worth more ( amongest some ) and it again deffinitly depends on the work going into this engine in question. I think you wouldt too say the least be out any in what you put into the car.