good core or bad core?

[cudabnu]

None of the pieces are around, it this repairable/useable as a core to rebuild? Or should it be sent back from where I got it?

[cudabnu]

sorry forgot the pic

[Flat6pac]

78/79 3.0?
sure took a hit..
Bruce

[BURN-BROS]

It is a partial credit core at best. Check to see if someone will make good for damage in shipping.

Otherwise, if it is in good working order then just have it welded up.

[cudabnu]

I've got a guy that can do Alum. welding here, but I have none of the pieces, and by the looks it was awhile ago it happened. I may just send back, or ask for credit for a core case and distributor to replace the broken pieces.

[cudabnu]

If the broken off pieces cannot be found, what are my options? would I need to find another case and distributor?

[BURN-BROS]

You can source another piece from another damaged case.

[cudabnu]

I pulled the dist out, and the shaft on it is even cracked.

[cudabnu]

From bad to worse!
Degreased the whole motor and cleaned the crud out of it. Took the right side apart

"Engine has been a part for rebuild, but no work done (no time). "

the two outside pistons had no rings so the cylinders just slid off, The middle just pulled right out, NO ROD! bearings are gone, looks to have possibly spun a bearing. I stopped at this point, who knows about the other side.

It is obvious someone knew what was wrong and put it back together, but did not mention the findings. So now I am trying to get my money back. If the person does the right, honorable thing, then that will be the last of it, if not then I post everything so no-one else gets burned. I did make a paypal claim to start to get the issue resolved quickly, as it probably should have been done when I found the case and distributor broken.

[lucittm]

It's funny how a little sign can signal so much wrong with a purchase like this. You were right to trust your instincts. These are not 1972 VW engines destined for a weekend dunebuggy project, these are Porsche engines; the most highly engineered powerplants in the world short of the space shuttle. The seller is either an idiot (doubt it) or a hooligan that knew exactly what he had and does not deserve to buy or sell anything made by Porsche ever again.

My 2 cents.

Mark

[Tom '74 911]

Did you buy this engine from eBay recently? I was watching one that had that EXACT same description and decided to pass due to the unknown factor. Maybe it was even posted in the FS forum here - I can't remember.

Sorry you're having to deal with someone elses crap.

[cudabnu]

At first I wanted to work it out, I only wanted what I paid for, so I emailed him the 2 items that on first inspection were broken (the case and distributor) So I sent them to him to give him an idea of what it would cost to replace, He said it was about money, and just asked for a dollar amount to refund, I didn;t want to toss a number out there, if he could find a suitable replacement for the damaged pieces, I would accept that. I also told him that we would see what the board here had to say, to see what other options there may be, but once I took the right side apart (every bolt was hand tight) and saw that a rod was even missing, well that was it. here was the email I sent him.

Ok, time to tell me all you know about the engine, I just got done cleaning the crud out of it, then took apart the passenger side, where the piston rings were gone, and in the middle it is missing the rod, and appears to have had a rod bearing problem? Again missing parts

Who took it apart?

Is this why you were selling it? u send it to a machine shop and they told you all the problems, then decided to not rebuild it?

there is alot of vital information now that it seems you knew but did not disclose.

This is turning into a nighmare, and if you knew all this before and did not disclose it.....

apart for a rebuild is one thing, but apart and inspected, and finding problems, then put back together to sell as a core without stating what was found is another, let alone the obvious damage to the case and distributor, even the breather on the back is bent and cracked. If you put the parts back together you had to of known, if it wasn't you, then someone pulled a fast one on you, and you in turn did it to me. Under these circumstances I think it best for a refund, I will ship it back to you, and will re-assemble it the same way you sent it. and we will go our seperate ways.


Was or am I out of line? I know he's reading these, and he is more than welcome to repond.

[cudabnu]

now knowing where the damage is you can see it in his pics.

here is the original ad

I have a 1979 Porsche 3.0 engine project. Engine has been a part for rebuild, but no work done (no time). Engine has 96XXX miles. Engine # 6591453.Engine includes flywheel, clutch, complete exhaust(no rust), wiring harness and upgrated hydraulic chain tensioners. No leakdown or compression numbers available

[lucittm]

cuda,
I found his listing on craigslist in minneapolis:
1979 Porsche 3.0 engine project and 915 transmission
It shows the damage if you know where to look. It also shows the distributor is loose. Anyone who would have seen that in person would have then noticed that the distributor is broken. That makes it an incomplete engine.

The refund is yours for the taking.

Good Luck,
Mark

[cudabnu]

Yes, that is the same exact ad he has here. He wonders why I pressed to pay by paypal! Just think if I would have sent a mmoney order like he originally wanted.

There are only one of 2 things that it may be

1: He took it apart and knew all te damage/missing items

2: He got it like this and has no clue

either way it was misrepresented, but then to basically say because of where I work, I am scamming you.....I swapped out cases, or watever, is beyond belief.

if it is #2, then I suggest you contact the person or shop you got it from and find out the truth before you start making accusations. I have plenty of people on this board I have purchased and sold to, and to accuse me like you did is just throwing gas on the flame.

according to 1 of his emails, it leads me to believe #2, but to trying to blame me goes beyond just not knowing the mechanicals of cars.

[BURN-BROS]

I hope you payed by C.C. thru PayPal, then you are protected. My experience with PayPal is that as long as you got something that looks to be what you were trying to get they do not get involved. It is a shame when sellers do not accurately depict what they are selling(Fraud or incompetence). Keep us posted how it turns out.

[cudabnu]

Just talked to the seller earlier, He did try to call me Friday and over the weekend, but my cell was left at work. He did admit that he got the whole car for the tub only, and only went by what the PO told him, He is not mechanically inclined, so looks like my #2 reason is correct. He agreed to either take it back, or I can take the other side off and decide what is still good and what it is worth as is, and he will refund the difference. So the main things are the crank, case and distributor so far that are known bad until I can check out the left side.

[cudabnu]

So for an end to the saga, Looks like it broke a rod, and that trashed the case on the inside and chipped the bottom of 1 of the barrels



So he is refunding me.

If anyone is interested in any of the parts that are good, I can pm his email

The parts that look good:

78/79 heads, no broken studs, only 1 has a 1 corner fin broken off.
Cam towers, and covers
may need a good cleaning but Carrera tensioners (missing 1 right side line)
core crank, will probably need at least the rod journals ground, has 5 rods!
Oil pump and Int. shaft will need a thourough cleaning
78/79 fan housing/fan/alt. (few cips on back of fan, but housing looks to have no cracks
78/79 fuel injection stuff, the major components are there.
Not sure if the pistons or barrels are good or not.
Tin
Distributor for parts?
78/79 fan cover orig red under the black paint

I also have pics I can forward.