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Henry Schmidt 07-23-2011 02:16 PM

For these vintage engines we run turbo tensioners with chain savers,
The important part is the installation of wide tensioner arms. We make the ones we use.

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echocanyons 07-31-2011 10:33 AM

Henry, is the tin in place where the oil cooler would go a 993 part as well or custom?

Do you have a part number or source?

Henry Schmidt 07-31-2011 11:30 AM

We custom fabricate the tin for each engine.

dkirk 08-01-2011 03:31 PM

Incredible! A beautiful engine in all respects. I'm sure it will run as good as it looks.

Bill Verburg 08-02-2011 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt (Post 6153510)
The 964 did as you suggest. They just plugged the holes. It wasn't until the 993 (with the notable exception of the 959) that Porsche added the filter. I assume they found some justification for spending the additional funds. (perhaps they got a debt limit increase and needed to waste the money on something);)

The 993 got the second filter because of the hydraulic lifters it used

Bill Verburg 08-02-2011 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Henry Schmidt (Post 6152992)
The simple answer to Walt's question is head temp vs oil temp.
If your front cooler/ coolers function properly the thermostat for the engine mounted cooler will never open.
That means that the cooling air generated by the engine mounted fan is wasted on a cooler that is not functioning. This wasted air could and should be used to cool the heads which rely primarily on air for cooling. Note that on the 964 and later air cooled engines, the cooling fan speed is reduced to improve air volume in an attempt to control head temps.
Balance is key when it comes to cooling an air cooled engine. More is only better when it functions better.

That's correct, head temps were the big stumbling block in the development of the 3.6 motors for the 964, in addition to the removal of the engine mounted oil cooler to divert more air to the heads they also added the ceramic exhaust port liners, the 993 heads were further improved in several ways including the use of RR530 alloy which was previously only used in the 930 heads

Mighty2.0 08-03-2012 03:43 PM

The oil pump looks like it has "flanges" on the front & rear, and the strainer looks like it doesn't protrude below the sump opening.

Will the flat sump plate work?

Can you describe the mods to the pump?

Henry Schmidt 08-03-2012 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mighty2.0 (Post 6892316)
The oil pump looks like it has "flanges" on the front & rear, and the strainer looks like it doesn't protrude below the sump opening.

The pump is a modified 3.2 Carrera pump.

Quote:

Will the flat sump plate work?
No. The sump cover we use when we install a Carrera pump in an early case is the Rennwerks sump cover.
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Quote:

Can you describe the mods to the pump?
We simply disassemble the pump and modify the flow to the intake and exhaust ports.

DohertyCM 08-05-2012 10:18 AM

Oil filter
 
Henry, I see you have an oil filter on that motor where the Behring oil cooler should be...can that kit be installed on a 930 motor?

Henry Schmidt 08-06-2012 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DohertyCM (Post 6894790)
Henry, I see you have an oil filter on that motor where the Behring oil cooler should be...can that kit be installed on a 930 motor?

Yes.

DohertyCM 08-06-2012 07:47 PM

So....
 
Would you care to give out some details on what we are looking at...That seems to be a worth while mod. What are the particulars?

ajwans 08-06-2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DohertyCM (Post 6897679)
Would you care to give out some details on what we are looking at...That seems to be a worth while mod. What are the particulars?

That looks like the Smart Racing oil filter http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-used-parts-sale-wanted/646165-fs-srp-oil-filter-console-block-off.html

I think Jerry Woods took over Smart Racing.

andy

Henry Schmidt 08-07-2012 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DohertyCM (Post 6897679)
Would you care to give out some details on what we are looking at...That seems to be a worth while mod. What are the particulars?

The oil console is a stock 993 part. 993 107 057 00
The oil fitting came from JB Racing and the tin work was fabricated in house.

DohertyCM 08-07-2012 07:27 AM

thanks
 
THANKS HENRY...Going to look at that mod.

KTL 08-07-2012 10:06 AM

Very nice work by Henry as always. Curious if you recall what kind of power numbers you got from this engine?

I too was intrigued by replacing the oil cooler with filter console. I decided to give it a try on my carbureted twin plug 3.2SS engine since it was out for a rebuild this past fall (and winter and spring and summer.... :rolleyes:)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/690909-whats-wrong-picture.html

My installation consists of:

1. I cut the oil inlet tube off of a junk engine oil cooler- $30 courtesy of Eagledriver.
2. Used the remnants of the cut up cooler to block off the void in the engine shroud. Also blocked off the air duct path from the main engine fan to top of the cooler to avoid wasting precious air flow that should be going to the cylinder heads & cylinders.
3. 993 filter console slightly modified to fit the oil cooler supply tube.
4. RSR t-stat blank in the engine case. So no more thermostat operation on the engine means the filter sees oil all the time.
5. Canton full flow filter. Expensive but no risk of blowing up filter and filter inspection is a piece of cake.
6. Center mount front oil cooler.


My experiences thus far after using it for one weekend. A HOT weekend- temps were in the mid-high 90s, humid and full sun. Nasty weather for racing.

>Boy the engine warms up quickly. That engine oil cooler is VERY efficient at keeping oil temps down. Therefore I would not do this on a street car. Each time I go out on track, I fire up the engine in the pits while i'm getting belted in the car and then head to my grid spot quite quickly. In the 5 min. it takes me to get to grid, oil temperature is already registering well above 120 on the factory numeric gauge. Probably 160F by the time I get to my grid spot. Oil temp will continue to climb quite steadily as I sit there idling, so I shut the engine off until I get the one minute to go whistle from the grid marshalls.

The front cooler MUST be as effective as possible. Since my only other source of engine cooling is the main engine fan (which incidentally I upsized from the small SC 226mm fan to the larger more common 245mm fan, knowing that i'd be installing the filter console/removing the engine oil cooler.) my front cooler is absolutely critical.

I have my front cooler installed behind an IROC front bumper, so its in a good spot to receive air. Its a rather large Fluidyne DB-30618 High Performance Engine Oil Coolers by FLUIDYNEŽ that is OK with respect to actual size (very nice fit in the IROC bumper opening) but it's only got -12 fittings. Plus my ducting behind the cooler is nothing more than a notch to get some separation from the chassis to the back of the cooler. There's a gap of ~3-4 in. behind the cooler.

Well I can say it needs more flow than that. By the end of the 40 min. race I was in the 230-240F range which is too hot. So now i've got the front end cut up to install the TRE Motorsports RS style duct I had sitting on the shelf.

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Granted, the weather during my "testing" was extremely hot and my engine was fresh after just being rebuilt. But I still think I should be able to keep it down to 220 max with good oil cooling. If not? I just put the oil cooler back in.

Sorry for the tangent on the oil filter. Just thought i'd share my experience with making this adaptation.

Hcarraro 09-03-2012 07:57 AM

Great thread. Thanks for sharing.

Henry

47silver 09-24-2012 07:43 PM

Henry
that motor belongs in a museum as a work of art,,


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