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MATPOC 11-22-2018 04:24 PM

Same lack of power problem new topic
 
Now that I know that my Cam sprockets are stock I still keep digging, someone on FB group mentioned stick coils, but they are new, why not check again.... No fire on left side, swap left right, still no fire ON THE LEFT! Also left plug looks like it never sparked: electrode is brand new, no erosion, no heat, so I assume dealer saw no spark, replaced coil and called it a day....

Now I got to find why left side is dead, assume bad wire, but I need to find a diagram for this bike, 2004 twin spark

Roger 04 RT 11-23-2018 02:33 AM

Matt, How does the bike run if you disconnect both lower plugs?

This diagram will get you close: https://www.mac-pac.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/R1150RT-2-Plug-Elec-Diagram-V1_3.pdf but fuse numbers will be different.

I have full schematics if there’s something else you’d like to know.

MATPOC 11-23-2018 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger 04 RT (Post 10260681)
Matt, How does the bike run if you disconnect both lower plugs?

This diagram will get you close: https://www.mac-pac.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/R1150RT-2-Plug-Elec-Diagram-V1_3.pdf but fuse numbers will be different.

I have full schematics if there’s something else you’d like to know.

Awesome, thanks!

this confirms my fear that each coils is triggered by ECU directly, they all have common power and separate grounds, so if I have connectivity from coil to ECU pin I will be needing new motronic unit :(

brentw1 11-23-2018 06:53 PM

ive not seen a bad motronic I might have a spare

MATPOC 11-23-2018 08:41 PM

Mystery Solved! (I hope) not sure how I missed it, seems it's barely held together by some plastic... bet whoever did the plugs last time broke it...

Bought used Motronic because one came up cheap ($100) so now I will have a spare

Now a million dollar question: where do I get a coil plug?
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1543038004.jpg

brentw1 11-23-2018 09:41 PM

should be a spare on the harness repair page of the bmw parts diagram
get the contacts as well
it looks fubar

MATPOC 11-23-2018 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentw1 (Post 10261440)
should be a spare on the harness repair page of the bmw parts diagram
get the contacts as well
it looks fubar

fubar for sure, electrical contacts snapped clean off, all 3... lot's of headache and 1000's of miles with slow bike. Wish I had known, kept telling myself "BMW is not race bike..." and even tried selling it because it was so slow, but always hoped there is an easy fix, wish I had known....

Groceryrun 11-24-2018 02:41 PM

Can that plug be ordered without any wires ?
I just want to buy the plug.

mtgill 11-24-2018 06:53 PM

I think what you're looking for is #9 on this page.

https://www.ascycles.com/bmw/1999/R1100S/Engine%20electrical%20system/Ignition%20system,%20double-ignition.html#PartsTable

I broke one of those connections many years ago. From what I remember, it's a simple fix. If my memory is correct, the plug comes pre-wired with a short length of wire to be soldered to the existing control wire. Cut the old on off, solder the new one on.

Mike

MATPOC 11-24-2018 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtgill (Post 10262220)
I think what you're looking for is #9 on this page.

https://www.ascycles.com/bmw/1999/R1100S/Engine%20electrical%20system/Ignition%20system,%20double-ignition.html#PartsTable

I broke one of those connections many years ago. From what I remember, it's a simple fix. If my memory is correct, the plug comes pre-wired with a short length of wire to be soldered to the existing control wire. Cut the old on off, solder the new one on.

Mike

Looks like I can get a universal plug from BMW for $25 or so, fits coils and other things

83 30 0 402 341 REPAIR PLUG, 3-PIN - NO. 610616

brentw1 11-25-2018 04:36 AM

if you cant find one let me know
I might have one out of a donor harness

flatbutt 12-01-2018 04:39 AM

Always worth checking here https://www.beemerboneyard.com/

MATPOC 12-03-2018 04:45 AM

got everything from MAX BMW, wire repair kit, spark plugs, air filter, valve cover gaskets and o-rings, working on assembly. Replaced brake lines while the tank was off, might get it finished in couple days, not much work left, just need to find time

Will test and report back once it's done, of course today is last reasonably warm day in the extended forecast, dropping from mid-50's in to 30's, luckily thins bike really shines in cold weather!

MATPOC 12-03-2018 11:56 AM

Finished assembly and went for a quick ride, HOLY ****!! IT HAS BALLS!!! Even lofted front wheel few times. No more chugging, shaking, stalling, I'm in love with it again!!

Groceryrun 12-03-2018 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MATPOC (Post 10262318)
Looks like I can get a universal plug from BMW for $25 or so, fits coils and other things

83 30 0 402 341 REPAIR PLUG, 3-PIN - NO. 610616

Was you able to find out any info on this plug ?

Is it the wrong plug for the coil .

The coil plug is fragile. It would be nice to replace the plug, and not having to buy
the " wire repair kit" .

MATPOC 12-03-2018 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Groceryrun (Post 10271414)
Was you able to find out any info on this plug ?

Is it the wrong plug for the coil .

The coil plug is fragile. It would be nice to replace the plug, and not having to buy
the " wire repair kit" .

It is a plug with some wire length coming out (3 wires) and 4 crimp connectors, also 4 very heavy heat shrink tubes, I'm guessing extra in case you screw up.

It was maybe $23? wrong color, but who cares, bike is running like raped ape!

BikerMiker 12-03-2018 05:02 PM

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MATPOC 12-24-2018 03:41 PM

Rode it again this weekend to a brunch 40 miles away... was so excited to use the bike that I went out in a pouring rain and then spent the rest of the day on it, went to work then couple parties, came home late night in freezing temps, in love it it all over again, can't believe I was ready to sell it


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