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throttlemeister 02-16-2007 11:37 PM

This looks very interesting, except it makes me wonder (honest question): how can something that leaves you enough freedom of movement to lay your head in your neck on a sportsbike give you any sensible protection. I mean, I wear glasses and I probably have to tilt my head a little more than others just to be able to see properly and the collar of my jacket is already annoying sometimes when it presses against my helmet. If it allows that much free movement, what's it gonna do in a crash?

arbik 02-17-2007 12:40 AM

how is it that they only have medium and small?
how about us big guys?

Flatbutt1 02-17-2007 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by throttlemeister
This looks very interesting, except it makes me wonder (honest question): how can something that leaves you enough freedom of movement to lay your head in your neck on a sportsbike give you any sensible protection. I mean, I wear glasses and I probably have to tilt my head a little more than others just to be able to see properly and the collar of my jacket is already annoying sometimes when it presses against my helmet. If it allows that much free movement, what's it gonna do in a crash?
My injury was caused when my right ear was introduced to my right elbow, almost literally(Lateral hyperflexion). Apparently this design permits rotational movement but restricts pitch and yaw.

Keep in mind guys, this thing WILL increase your odds of surviving a crash. It is VERY likely able to prevent a broken neck along the Cervical column, maybe even T1 or T2.

But It is not a guarante for avoiding a wheel chair. While wearing this brace it is likely that you can still bust a Thoracic vertebra. IMHO. But I'm buying one.

yetidave 02-17-2007 04:36 AM

Brad, Thanks man. I'm buying the sport. I have a question, the site only lists small and medium sizes. I'm 6'4" 250 lbs. Will the medium fit me?

Flatbutt1 02-17-2007 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by yetidave
Brad, Thanks man. I'm buying the sport. I have a question, the site only lists small and medium sizes. I'm 6'4" 250 lbs. Will the medium fit me?
Dave, I wrote to them last night with a similar question, I don't know which to buy small or medium.

yetidave 02-17-2007 04:39 AM

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Originally posted by Flatbutt1
Dave, I wrote to them last night with a similar question, I don't know which to buy small or medium.
Let me know what they tell you, please?

Flatbutt1 02-17-2007 04:44 AM

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Originally posted by yetidave
Let me know what they tell you, please?
depend upon it!

bradzdotcom 02-17-2007 07:31 AM

the medium fits regular size guys (16 years and older). the term is somewhat misleading it should be listed as "youth" and "adult".
i understand there isn't any problem with it fitting big guys too.

BMW did some testing.
here's a head impact WITHOUT the brace: http://www.leatt-brace.com/av/av_gpx_pendulum_nobrace.htm

and with the brace: http://www.leatt-brace.com/av/av_gpx_pendulum.htm

another example:
http://www.leatt-brace.com/images/rd_sabs03.gif

a magazine review: http://www.racerxcanada.com/news/3084/racer-x-canada-tested-leatt-brace

a piece about the Dakar competitors using it:
http://www.leatt-brace.com/pdf/press/20070206_press19.pdf

Stewart and Carmichael try it out:
http://www.racerxill.com/breakingnews/article/2366/sx-champions-stewart-and-carmichael-will-try-the-leatt-neck-brace.aspx

an interview with our group's doctor (who's seen more than most guys should ever experience): http://sxweekendwindow.blogspot.com/

more info:http://www.leatt-brace.com/gpx_testing.asp

i'm heading out to the racetrack soon. i'll know more tomorrow.

David 02-17-2007 07:42 AM

Thank you for the link. I'll buy one before my next kart race!

throttlemeister 02-17-2007 08:01 AM

Gets more interesting by the minute, but I still only see MX or 4-wheel applications. MX typically has a more straight up riding position than a sportsbike and the head is in more of a natural position. I am worried that on a sportsbike it will either interfere with being able to lift your head high enough to properly see, or is adjusted in a way where it is not really effective, at least not for a front to back motion.

John Lyon 02-17-2007 08:11 AM

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Originally posted by bradzdotcom
i bought the Moto GPX Glass Reinforced Nylon Lower and Carbon Fiber Upper
$595

and you?

Ordered the same one today. I may have stock shocks, but I'm definitely going CF on this...

BTW, should I start calling you Moses?

yetidave 02-17-2007 09:01 AM

I ordered mine. Thanks Brad. I'll post my thoughts after racing with it.

ErricZ 02-17-2007 09:19 AM

Hasn't BMW been pushing this through some of their Motorrad channels too? This isn't the first I've heard this device in the past year and it's looking to be the way to go. Hey, if the MotorGP guys don't notice it at the speeds they are riding adn the positions they fly through, it shouldn't impede any of our rides.

Hmm ... safety is the easiest thing the get the SO to let us buy into! :)

Effervescent 02-17-2007 09:36 AM

Anyone have any lucky with the much cheaper ($40) MX designed neck rolls...like EVS or Alpinestar.

-Eff

markjenn 02-17-2007 09:37 AM

Brad, thanks for the heartfelt posting and information. This is a valuable service.

Personally, ATGATT works up to a point, but there has to be a limit, otherwise, we'd wear full-face helmets and leathers while driving a Honda Civic to the grocery store. I'm certainly going to consider this device for track days and very aggressive sport riding. I'm not sure I'll wear one going on 45-minute toddle around town though.

Maybe I'm an old fuddy-duddy, but there was a time when I could hop on my CB350 and toddle around wearing a Bell TX500 3/4 helmet, $10 leather hardware store gloves, jeans, and my Bates Fast Lane boots and feel like I was riding in a reasonably safe way. I rode for years like this and it was nice to ride without feeling like I was an astronaut preparing for a moon shot each ride.

Further, it's a very strange world when half the motorcycling population lobbies for the right to not wear a helmet while the other half is putting on devices like this. I sometimes think both extremes need to move to the center a bit.

Just rambling. The world is getting awfully complicated.

- Mark

SergioK 02-17-2007 09:50 AM

So this thing is kinda like a HANS device for motorcyclists (neato!)although I paid just a hair less for my HANS than what they want for the full CF model. It doesn't list the weight for it though. I don't think it (Pro) would be much lighter than the Sport since only the lower portions are changed. I think the Sport model might be the way to go.

I need to consider this as my next safety equipment purchase (after a full set of leathers which I still have yet to buy). :eek: I know... I know.

Dbltailexit 02-17-2007 10:20 AM

SergioK did you see the leathers for sale last week on this forum? They are for under 6 ft. Buy now or soon, the price that you paid will fade.

Brad thanks for the updates and real life info. It's on my list but is it before of after some other items is where i'm at, e.g. tires. Will I wear it most every ride or like my back brace, less often.
I did however email two riding friends to look your post and info. up, so the word is spreading.
thank you ingmar

John Lyon 02-17-2007 10:43 AM

Brad,

Where were you a week ago? The LEAT stock went from under 15 to 45 in the past week, apparently due to the David Bailey publicity (and huge number of orders).

geothepencil 02-17-2007 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by John Lyon
Brad,

Where were you a week ago? The LEAT stock went from under 15 to 45 in the past week, apparently due to the David Bailey publicity (and huge number of orders).

Cents that is.

geo

throttlemeister 02-17-2007 12:06 PM

Still 300% increase, aka someone got very richt out of that.


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