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[JonyRR]

One ,two, three, four...shalalalala live for today....
As a child of the machine age and one who was raised on gasoline, methanol and nitromethane it pains me greatly to confront this reality but I've always consedered myself a pragmatic realist.
It's here and it won't go away.
the humongous might be right after all, and MFP won't be there in our reality (or MFP will be the opressors, most likely)

www.fromthewilderness.com

see mikeruppertblogspot.com


It is now only a matter of weeks before the truth about Peak Oil comes crashing through the mass media, the public consciousness and the imagined realities of life. In July we will see that OPEC (especially Saudi Arabia) cannot increase production. The long unconnected dots will become clear lines depicting a now inevitable collapse and die-off. The once impenetrable edifice of the old paradigm which locked our warnings away and blocked them from real public discussion will rupture. Peak Oil is certain to become an issue in the U.S.general election this November.

Two events are about to take place, and indeed have already begun. The Peak Oil movement, those of us who labored and sacrificed for years,have our collective pants tied round our ankles and our heads inserted deeply into non-energy-producing regions. The first event is easy to address if we focus. The second, however, may literally render what"was" the real Peak Oil movement ineffective and condemn hundreds of thousands, if not millions, to death. Because what people hear and learn in the first months of true Peak Oil awareness will determine the course of discussion, planning and of history, from here to eternity.

Problem 1:

Within weeks or months the major media will become "aware" of Peak Oil. They will come to the Peak Oil movement and say, "OK, what do we do now? What should a President do? What should congress do? What should people do? I have seen no serious or focused attempt to prepare for this demand. I am tinkering with a proposed Presidential Platform on the subject by myself and when I think I have something serious Iwill release it. The addresees of this email ONLY are encouraged to offer suggestions. [Ed: By this, Mike is referring to the recipients of his original email. Blog readers are encouraged to send suggestions to the blog. But Mike is not recommending that everyone start calling the media on their own.] But all of the people who have labored so long and sacrificed so much should be prepared for microphones to be thrust at them nationally and locally. What are you going to say?

Will you say, "It's time to go to Plan B"?...

Problem 2:

This is the most serious threat of all. Already, people who we have never heard of, and who have never sacrificed or contributed an iota, are starting to emerge saying that they have "disovered" Peak Oil. They are presenting themselves as experts. Their first approaches will be to local and regional media outlets who don't know their derrieres from a dry hole in the ground. The local and regional medias will be the ones funneling discussions and questions upward to the Larry Kings of this world. This is just the beginning of a deluge. More than half of those who will wind up on CNN, Fox, ABC and on the pages of our newspapers will be either one of two things: rank opportunists and snake oil salesmen who will distort and peddle bad ideas and self-promotion; or they will be out-and-out disinformation artists funded either by Wall Street or the US government. They will be intent on lining their own pockets, protecting the old paradigm and blunting a truth which has begun its demand for payment before foreclosure. These people will be murderers of the worst sort. Yet they will be flooding media switchboards, email inboxes and fax machines at media outlets around the country. And because they will be making noise they will get the air time that the real activists who have spoken truth will not.

How do I know this?

POWs, Iran-Contra, CIA drug trafficking, the 1992 presidential campaign and 9-11. It happened in every one of those "earth shattering" crises or events. I was there. I watched and felt it happen in every one of those sagas as it unfolded.

People who we have never heard of will be getting the spotlight and the Peak Oil movement will not -- because it gave up at just the wrong moment. The struggle to define Peak and what it means for mankind is just beginning. Are you willing to sit back and watch the snake oil salesmen, dilettantes, and wolves in sheeps clothing dictate the discussion and set the agenda, just when the window and demand for real education opens wide and beckons?

[Fenring]

I'm not quite sure what you are proposing here? The idea of peak oil has been around for some time now. I'm not an American, but it kind of concernes the entire world. There will be ****e flying from all sides because energy business is one of the most profitable businesses. I suggest to those lucky enough to live in the US, to invest in Silicon Valley where smart people are working on new renewable energy technologies.
Everybody else can only hope to avoid rioting mobs and preferably barricade themselves inside. Seriously, what else is there? Coal? Some sources claim coal has hit the peak already, it's just more abundant than oil, so it should last longer.

[peter f]

Well

1. Oil/Fossil fuels is by no means a long term solution (sooner or later > adios amigos)
2. Renewable Energy can solve a small portion of the whole problem
3. Hydrogen based economy is (obviously) the solution
3.1 fuel cells for transportation. Time frame 10 years.
3.2 nuclear fusion (not fission) for electricity. Time frame : 25 years.
3.3.cold nuclear fusion for everything...I hear you people: C'mon, Fleischmann and Pons stuff again?

[Mr. Deltoid]

Oh f-it, lets pack up and move to Mars-oops, not viable at the moment.I would bet my life oil and energy producers over the years have shelved or destroyed innovations that----would----- have decreased our drug (oil) addiction.Greed helps breed innovation, but uncontrolled, will send you back to the stone age.Every day when I'm commuting on my bike, I cringe to see these pig like creatures driving down the road in pure gluttony.Does this creature really need a V8 land yacht to transport its carcass to work?Even more insane- single occupant.Oh well little piggies, the piper has come calling, your day dream is over Now pay up suckers.....

[JonyRR]

'your day dream is over Now pay up suckers'

Unfortunately it goes a lot deeper than that.
The site in question has vast reserves of extremely well documented information on subjects most Americans just refuse to confront....it's just too painful. There was a time I blindly believed all the pablum and hokum that's spewed out to keep Joe Average in line and feeling good.
It's painful to wake up and realize a large part of what you were taught and believed in is bovine feces. But it is.
On JUST the subject of Peak Oil, Mike Ruppert and FTW have been so consisgtently right it's scarey. I could go on and on but most won't ahve the moral or personal courage and honesty to OBJECTIVELY, DISPASSSIONATELY evaluate the data presented.

[JonyRR]

I even had a hard time with some of it until I put in the research; then I was not questioning, I was just appalled.
If you have ever read 'Crossing the Rubicon' (one of the most important books of the yet-young 21st century)..do the research. Then go vomit. I had such a sinking feeling as I realized it was all true....I know several of the individuals that were written of in that book, saw some of the stuff in isolation, but never put it all together.
Are we still a great nation? I don't know. I know there are many good, honorable people out there, but as a society I believe we're already off the cliff, accellerating towards a very painful 'splat'...and wil-e-cyote doesn't live here.
When I joined the US military, I swore an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies...foriegn AND DOMESTIC. there are many, on both sides of the political spectrum. The sound of jackboots marching out a goosestep is growing ever louder and we jsut turn up the boombox more to drown it out, hoping for something to change.
I'm trying to ride way more this year...we may not get a next year.

[Mr. Deltoid]

Jony, it ain't that bad.You will have plenty time to ride-as you pass straw huts dodging chickens down the highway Well that was my verbal Prozac for the day Really though, we're not going anywhere Jony.They have been milking us dumb ass tax payers for soooo looong that just like junkies, the next fix WILL be acquired.No Jony, we useful idiots are far from being milked dry, and that's a GOOD thing.Be afraid when don't need our labor and money......

[wswartzwel]

Jony,
Problem solved. I plan to invent an engine that runs on Bull Schitt...

[signit98]

Love it... people are looking every which way form Sunday to find the culprits for the high gas prices... just not in the most obvious of directions!

You have the Federal reserve, who needs gas prices to be high, right now with all the other imminent financial disasters, as the income from oil products are one of their main sources of income... that's one reason. (do I need to remind you that the "Federal" reserve has NOTHING to do with the govering body of this country... it is a rather (very) private institution)

And then, more obvious... the option traders... they only need to put 5% down to trade with oil they'll never get with money they don't have... there is a new bubble and it's been dubbed "oil dot com" as the underlying principles are the same they were with the real "dot com" during the millenium change!

Should be interesting to watch... I have a lot of money in alternative energy plays right now... doing well, I might add

[wswartzwel]

Hey Ralf... care to invest a little venture capital in my B.S. power project...

[signit98]

...nope, as you may be very aware of this I have been experimenting with that kind of fuel myself... for a while now! LOL

[wswartzwel]

Thats the beauty of it.... No one can corner the market and fix prices...

[Bob Hancock]

Originally Posted by wswartzwel

Hey Ralf... care to invest a little venture capital in my B.S. power project...

If you can drill directly into this thread, I'll invest with you Bill.

[signit98]

LMAO... once again, VERY FUNNY, Bob!

[JonyRR]

So, swartzy, let's see.
You plumb your bathrooms to a composter/methane separator, distill the methane, liquify it and power your IC vehicles.
Sounds like a plan.
Got a working prototype?

The point I was trying to make (obtuse as usual, no doubt) is that the fiction of things 'going back to the way they were' is starting to slip. The cracks are showing. And are going to get bigger.
Just one example is the dichotomy between what the Saudis CLAIM their in-ground reserves are and the empirical reality of some of the world's foremost oil geologists; Best-case esitmate is that (this is just one example and there are many many more) there's less than 40% of what they claim is actually there and that percentage is much more difficult to extract then the easy good stuff that came before.

I hold my gummin't accountable and expect the truth and straight answers.

If this is naive, in America, where 'truth, justice and the American Way' is supposed to hold sway then the Grand Experiment is in mortal danger.

you can question my sanity, my intelligence and my conclusions but please don't question my loyalty to the IDEALS of America....unfortunately those ideals seem to be fading with the expediency of the moment....

Now back to your regulartly scheduled arguement about which brand of air to fuel up your ABS system with

[Fenring]

Look on the bright side. Less oil burnt, less CO2 in the air, so maybe that will stave off the runaway global warming for a couple more years...







...NOT!

[AZ-Twin]

If global warming gets too far out of control, we always have Nuclear Winter to fall back on.

[JonyRR]

Yeah, I always liked snomobiles better than jetskis anyway.

I wonder how a cariboo-powered snogo would do?

And then we coulkd see up-close how cute and cuddly a polar bar REALLY is....probably from inside his stomach...

[hawkeyejohn14]

I for one believe this world is always changing, look at the way things get buried only to show up again, maybe....

Where does one think the oil came from anyway?

Maybe burning carbon is speeding things up and I believe we need clean energy, but to lay this thing at the feet of developed nations and say this is their fault is BS.

Glaciers existed here at one time.... what makes us think the world will just stop in place and everything will be fine....?

Why do I have to paint my house every 5- 7 years, the sun, wind and water are contantly moving and working to destroy man made or man improved products.

The Grand Canyon started somewhere, sometime, but there were no cities or governments to camplain or try and change it, we are in a different phase of earth and I for one am getting tired of being blamed for it. My.02 worth....

[damage113]

Check this book out "Just How Stupid Are We?: Facing the Truth About the American Voter"
I haven't read it but comes highly recommended from a smart man. I have it on hold at the library.
A little about it...
Shenkman (Presidential Ambition) makes the provocative argument that as American voters have gained political power in the last 50 years, they have become increasingly ignorant of politics and world affairs—and dangerously susceptible to manipulation.