FYI... WSB

I agree. I like the idea of this bike - the idea of going head-to-head with the contemporaries. But as a twin fan and a boxer nut I still wish it had been a liquid cooled tuned to the nth degree boxer (bring out the R1 BMW!:D) or some other configuration that would be more interesting. Nothing against the I4 but they tend to leave me cold despite their superior power/weight and overall efficiency. Still, running an I4 didn't hurt the MV, but this unfortunately does not have the aesthetics of the MV or even the R1 to bring it to the forefront.

I think the S1000RR is a beauty esp. in the colour schemes shown, but it is more performance than I'll ever need. It's still facing off against the undervalued R12S and the OTT HP2S to win my $$$.

The R12S is scare on the street, even moreso on the track and exotic enough and still handy enough around a track. Hell I'd just leave it bone stock for my needs. It's power/weight matchs my favourite supersport the RC51 and that was more than I ever needed.

more pics...hmmm doesn't look as tough in that paint scheme IMO.
found them on this site.


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I just don't get it. What's wrong with the R1 with the CBR 1000 and ZX1000R? I guess BMW has what it takes to make another I4 that's just another Japanese clone: Regular forks, I4, chain, etc. Seriously what is the point?

Porsche was ready to drop the 911 thing thinking that it was time for a change. Look what happened to the almighty 944, 928, etc. The Carrera is still what they are all about, in the real-world market. Finally the sons-of-*****es saw the light and took the boxer 6, made it "modern" and got ahead of the game once again.

Hopefully BMW will see the light and steer the company in a wiser direction. Every time they get ADD on the boxer, they introduce some grand-fix for the decade, be the longitudinal 4, in-line 4, parallel twins, and singles. Now they got 100% Japanese on the twist, fantastic!

I guess they have the financial power to take any venture as they wish.

***** all you want but one of the reasons Harley still sells well is because they stay true to their heritage, as ****ty and juvenile as it might be: "Look at me I'm a bad boy, and you will hear me 10 miles away!".

BMW can really build anything with any number of wheel, no question about it.

I just wish they would build a real 21 century boxer just like Porsche did it when they revised the 911 concept, their true heritage.

This S100RR might be the **** but to me it's just another Japanese I4 made in Germany this time. It's funny to finally see who's copying who.

Too bad Honda dropped the ball on their RC51, helluva machine and engine they had there. Also too bad Suzuki dropped the TL project, lots of potential there as well.

Me now liking the Buell partially made in Austria!

Ditto to Nitro's whole post. Couldn't agree more.

I wish they'd go down the V-Twin path... something with a bit more character!
If/when the flat twin gets canned, I hope they go the V water cooled and keep the 'R' type of bikes.

horizontal action my friend, the boxer is it's own thing

What Nitro wrote sounds sensible, but I think what motivates the corporate heads is the profit, not any kind of sensibility and S1000R looks like an experiment to increase sales in the sports segment. We'll see if it pays off or not, but I doubt new gen. sporty boxer will be on agenda unless BMW decides that it might be more profitable that the I4 Jap. clone.

Just an idea...if Motoczysz uses two counterrotating cranks couldn't a Boxer benefit from the same "trick"? Offcourse not talking aerodynamics, costs, etc. here...

...theoretically yes... not talking cost, time, etc. - the price would be high for BMW, just to develop a more "neutral" feel, though... too high, I assume... consideringt he lack ofeffort they are putting into the boxer line these days.

I think the biggest problems with the R bike is the jugs sitting out there in the air stream and the weight of the Telelever and Paralever. It would take a total redesign and it would be to beat one manufacturer - Ducati.
BMW can go head to head with the all the Japanese bikes with one bike. And come out ahead IF they can make a bike that compares favorably in price and performance.
If they can get the price of the S1000RR in the $13,000 to $13,500 range I think they'll have a winner.

I feel that BMW did a “great job” in keeping their image/house look with the S1000RR. In addition, BMW needs to address the next generation of buyer who typically doesn’t like, understand or want the opposed twin/current in –line four, no matter how much you explain it to em, or demonstrate that one can stay with or outperform them on the real roads of life that we all ride.

I like the S1000RR, in the same way I like the MV Augusta. Also, as we all know the Jap’s have the sport bike market covered with machinery that is more affordable than these two bikes. However, there are people out there that still want something different, more exclusive and different. Anyway, I wish BMW great success with the S1000RR and hope that us old Beemer rides don’t’ eat their own kind/complain too much, like so many of the old time Harley guys typically did/still do with the V ROD.

Mike K.
Dana Point, CA.

+1 Mike. Sums it up well.

<<I just wish they would build a real 21 century boxer just like Porsche did it when they revised the 911 concept, their true heritage.>>

The HP2S motor would be a nice start if BMW would introduce it in all the Boxer applications. Then, develop the "new" OHC motor further. But, what do I know?

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm sure I am...

My expectation is the HP2S motor will filter down through the line, just like the 1200 did after it first came out. But I think it'll have to be a de-tuned version, no? Seems like BMW is at the edge with the HP2S, with their scary 30,000 mile suggestions. And this thing only makes a handful of horsepower more than the R1200S. Seems like the smoothness and quietness will be the main benefits.

I wouldn't mind seeing a water boxer. With residual (or whatever that word is I'm looking for) fins to make it appear air-cooled. Then they can get into Ducati horsepower territory. I think BMW would be out of their mind to ever abandon the boxer. It's their signature, like Porsche's rear-mounted flat-six or Harley's V-twin. I love walking up behind my bike and seeing that crazy-wide engine sitting there.

jduke...the HP2S has a dry weight of 392 lbs and that's with Telelever and Paralever. The Ducati 1098 weighs some 381 lbs, so much weight difference isn't there. BMW really squeeshed everything out of the Boxer. The new engine and some new concepts could prove for an interesting future Boxer motor but do we want a chain on it? probably not. Normal forks? probably not. Let's hope that they develop the engine further so it can be adopted in other models

BTW there was a story some months ago in Motorrad where a new Boxer engine was shown based on inside information. It had a central camshaft and the valves where actuated via rods (a la Harley ;) The engine was very compact and small in width (just like the old Boxers) and with new materials a high rpm-level is possible...the insider had seen parts at suppliers

I'm a twin fan and wish BMW had built the R1 (liquid cooled boxer). That would have been a no-brainer purchase for me.

But all reports said that the BMW R1 was a 140 bhp bike. The boxer configuration simply wouldn't support more, at least at this time, and at least to be in line (no pun intended) with BMW's goal of opening new markets which will require lower prices. The HP2S as wickedly cool as it is, can you imagine the cost of a liquid cooled boxer? Could BMW have made it and kept costs low. Could it have provided the cylinder head clearance necessary to allow WSB riders to scrape elbows through corners? Probably not.

BMW learned its lesson years ago when they dropped the boxer for the flying brick. That's why we enjoy the variety of models while BMW still refines the boxer.

BMW has said that in order to expand its share of the motorcycle market it has to expand into new areas and price competitively. BMW is conspicuously absent from the supersport and superbike stakes. The R12S and HP2S simply do not compare when power/weight and lap times come into play. The I4 as "Japanese" as it is, provides the best bang for the buck in terms of performance per dollar. The Japanese certainly aren't losing money on these models and MV certainly didn't lose anyone when the MV went on sale. Sadly the new S1000RR isn't as gorgeous as the MV, what is:rolleyes:, but its still a BMW and will still be distinctive from the Japanese, just as an R1 is from a CBR and GSXR.

RC51 is still my benchmark for supersports despite owning a few of the latest generation ZX10R's. But if you look you will see the R12S is right there with the RC51 o BMW has provided your bike. RC51 was 489 wet and 119 bhp. R12S is 470 wet and 105 - 110 bhp, power/weight is near identical. This is pretty much why the R12S is still on my radar despite the S1000RR. Buell 1125R. Bang for the buck what a hell of a deal. :D

HD, :confused: HD has a liquid cooled engine developed with Porsche. Yes it's not their top seller but even HD has moved the goal posts. IIRC didn't HD buy MV?

Yes, they did... but they are very quiet about that right now as they - like everyone else - are holding their hands open for a bailout.