N8! Whats the scoop on the SKRR?

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by Rixster

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11 pages later.....

"N8! Whats the scoop on the SKRR? "

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there was a brief weigh in by Nate, he said to read the blog. thats the scoop.

[Dr. Curve]

Thank you Otter. They should be here in barely 100 days. I may get one........its just that I got a lot on my plate right now and the HP2 is not all bad. Recently my rat bike airhead has been more old time fun however..........

Anyone seen the 2007 MV Corse for sale on E-Bay? Can't get it off my mind either because the guy really needs the money............still......sometimes a bike can be so nice that the owner simply won't ride it the way it was meant to be ridden.

Type in the number or address and take a look. Not a new BMW.........but not bad.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230363770385&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT
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[throttlemeister]

Originally Posted by Bob Hancock

Boy did you just say a mouthful. Watch what happens in the Netherlands and France and some of the more liberal countries where their easy immigration without assimilation policies are changing the face of the populace. This and their low indigenous birthrates and none of us will recognize these countries in 20 years.....they'll all be like Dubai.

The times they are a'changin'.

No offense, but..

1) Dutch borders are pretty tight these days. Immigration is extremely low (about 10,000 per year) due to very strict entry criteria. This is different from the past, but indigenous population has had enough.

2) Most French immigrants are from (former) French colonies and speak perfect French and are well integrated into French society. They do have their own culture and religion, but whatever you do in your own house is your business.

Integration is not about denying or forgetting your roots, it is about adapting a new culture and new way into your roots.

3) Your view is a little warped. Check the statistics. The Netherlands has a population of 16.5 million, and the amount of immigrants is 3.2 million (20%). In contrast, the USA has a population of 300 million, and according to the census bureau 44 million immigrants (15%).

This seems a positive to the US in comparison, however, those 44 million are only foreign born (as anyone born in the USA is considered a US citizen), but those 3.2 million are anyone foreign born as well their descendants up-to and including the 3rd generation living in the country. Should we apply the same definitions to both, the numbers look quite different.

In other words, if you want to discuss immigration problems, look at your own country first. And don't say they are so well integrated, cause as long as I need to learn Spanish in order to get around in a supermarket in the US, they are not.

[shreddr]

Originally Posted by Dr. Curve

Anyone seen the 2007 MV Corse for sale on E-Bay? Can't get it off my mind either because the guy really needs the money............still......sometimes a bike can be so nice that the owner simply won't ride it the way it was meant to be ridden.

that bike caught my eye as well!

[RC51DRAG]

Originally Posted by cageyar

Well, all I can say is, no negative intentions, you're either up for a mega-dose of future shock or in total denial. The fact is China, it's products and influence has been enormous in this country for over 25 years and it's growing. You can't expect to exist in a world-wide economy and ignore 1/6 of it's population. Do that and they'll eventually bury you. You have to engage them and Western society have been doing that, rather successfully. Capitalism will eventually overwehlm their Communist government. The old Reds will slowly die-off, and billions of younger Chinese with a taste of success, will run the show one day. The danger is the military in country with no history of democratic principle. But, that's for another day in the future. Today, with Western expertise, infrastructure, etc., the Chinese people are producing excellent products and the fact that BMW may have chosen to benefit from this causes no concern. I would speculate that in your home there are dozens of products whose country of origin is China. Having worked for years for first Japanese companies, then Koreans, I can attest to the fact that their various cultures are quite diverse in outlook. The common difference among all of them to Western society is that the individual is not the center of all things as it is more commonly in the US, for example. That brings into conflict our views vs. their outlook which is clearly underlining your statement above. But, just as your previous fervent hope about BMW production, the ability to forestall China's growing economic influence exist primarily in your mind. The reality is there are here, they've been here, the key is to work together globally to successfully influence the way they grow. If the West succeeds, the world will be a richer, healthier, prosperous planet. If we fail, we may face a future, long after you and I are gone, where notions of democracy as derived from ancient Greece may be replaced with some strange brew of an a-moral socialism that no longer places full value on the individual. Check out this Democracy Index map that shows light blue countries at 9.5 out of 10 and black as less than 2.

Well put.

Dr. C. I'm surprised - it's a round world last time I looked. Do you really think you don't have Chinese products in your house/life, wholly or partially manufactured?

[Guest24]

TM you got your numbers way wrong, dude. The USA is prolly 97% immigrants and the rest native Americans. Now, with that said can we drop the political BS which none of us have the least bit of control over and get back to BMW bashing. LoL don't want to see this thread get round filed

[N8Kern]

Wow, this is still going here, the thread I mean. Have been a little busy and just trying to get alot done. I may not be racing Barber next weekend, but I have two day private trackday at Roebling Road Raceway west of Savannah 8/22-23/09. I am only allowing 30 riders for the whole day and only 10 on track at any given moment. This gives me a chance to ride with everyone and help if I can.

I will havethe all new BMW S1000RR there and iof you didnt wanna ride and just wanted to see the new bike, there is no gate fee.

I look forward to seeing you guys.

N8!

[Bob Hancock]

Originally Posted by throttlemeister

No offense, but..

You miss my point....no surprise after the meltdown over Hirsi Ali.

[AndrewA]

Originally Posted by N8Kern

Wow, this is still going here, the thread I mean. Have been a little busy and just trying to get alot done. I may not be racing Barber next weekend, but I have two day private trackday at Roebling Road Raceway west of Savannah 8/22-23/09. I am only allowing 30 riders for the whole day and only 10 on track at any given moment. This gives me a chance to ride with everyone and help if I can.

I will havethe all new BMW S1000RR there and iof you didnt wanna ride and just wanted to see the new bike, there is no gate fee.

I look forward to seeing you guys.

N8!

Will we be able to take the bike around the track? Alone?

[Deans BMW]

Originally Posted by AndrewA

Will we be able to take the bike around the track? Alone?

Only in your deams, i'm afraid.

[Mad Otter]

Originally Posted by Dr. Curve

Sorry RC, there are NO any kind of "nese" products in our home that we know of. We here are saddened at what the "Big Box" effect has done across the USA and are among the growing group of "Buy American" if at all possible, people. China currently is the leader in many of the areas we dread and despise most. Human rights atrocities, global pollution, social injustice, endangered species eradication, intellectual property rights thievery, display of rubberized body part taken from non volunteer political prisoners, shipment of contaminated baby foods world wide and the list just keeps on going.
BMW is not going to "build bikes in China" period. Even if I am the only person on the list who believes this strongly, it will still be a cold day in Hell when I purchase a bike with anything on it made in CHINA. The Chinese will eat anything that does not eat them first. They have already taken huge bites out of America............should we continue to support their increasingly large open mouth policies of deception, deceit, and destruction of the natural world. Not I or my family, thats for sure.

DC...come out to California for a ride sometime...I'll buy lunch! There is a great little Chinese place I know of...LOL! You will see a lot of th"ese" on the roads though...


They are all born here and probably descended from those guys that built the railroads that cross this great nation...they had counterparts on the east coast that were all immigrants from Ireland. They are policemen, firemen, dentists, doctors, and wonderful friends. Oh, and they're all pretty short too.

[cageyar]

Mr. Curve,

Xenophobia is a trait that through history has caused more suffering than it ever purported to prevent. China is fraught with a myraid of dangerous characteristics.
If you believe that attempting to isolate 1/6 of the worlds population is a path to peace and their successful integration into civilized society, you are being foolish.
Since you have no products in your home produced in China "that you know of" then you simply have never bother to look. Have any computers in your home? You must since we are communicating through them. Where do you think most motherboards, keyboards, etc. are produced and/or assembled? Buy a lamp in the last 25 years? Flip it over to find it's origin is likely China. Stopped in at the bastion of good ole' Amerycan down home cookin' at The Cracker Barrel near you?
Take a look at all the Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas knicknacks and see where they are made. 95% of what is in that store is made in China.

Xenophobes have demonized many groups over the centuries. We only have to look back 70 years or so into the 20th century to see some of the most horrific examples. China's role in the civilized world will come to maturation by engaging their youth through economic endeavors and fostering prosperity for the average Chinese citizen. Simply avoiding Wal-mart accomplishes nothing. We have to embrace the world or it moves on without us. After 85 years, give or take a few, those fears will be as empty as echos in the wind and simply gone.

[Guest24]

I'm not the moderator on this forum; but, if we don't back off this thread is headed for lock-up. Forget China, let's talk performance, cageyar. This thread has some good dialogue about the S1KRR. we can read the labels before we put the money down.

I think you need to bring that S1KRR over to WNC Dean. Forget the salt flats. It was made for gnarly roads like i have around the Bikehaus. We can swap rides and compare notes.

[cageyar]

Originally Posted by Nail24

I'm not the moderator on this forum; but, if we don't back off this thread is headed for lock-up. Forget China, let's talk performance, cageyar. This thread has some good dialogue about the S1KRR. we can read the labels before we put the money down.

Frankly, Mr. Curve asked for my thoughts and in his responses, has made some rather curious comments. This had to do with the possiblity of the S1000RR being produced/assembled/whatever in China as has been rumored by certain dealers.
There is no chance of lockup here-an open dialogue is always the best policy. Nothing to be afraid of.

[Deans BMW]

Bubba, I hear you........but there are entirely too many people, too much humidity and way too many cops back east. I had a nice little 200 miler up here yesterday, 68-69 F, 11% humidity, brilliant blue cloudless skies, no traffic and fantastic sweepers and perfect roads, and oh yes great eats at the Bear Wallow in Alpine. Also, no bugs.........................

[cageyar]

Originally Posted by Deans BMW

Bubba, I hear you........but there are entirely too many people, too much humidity and way too many cops back east. I had a nice little 200 miler up here yesterday, 68-69 F, 11% humidity, brilliant blue cloudless skies, no traffic and fantastic sweepers and perfect roads, and oh yes great eats at the Bear Wallow in Alpine. Also, no bugs.........................

I hear you both-I don't know what you are fearful of-if it doesn't interest you, no need to comment-free speech, free will, etc.

[Guest24]

Originally Posted by Deans BMW

Bubba, I hear you........but there are entirely too many people, too much humidity and way too many cops back east. I had a nice little 200 miler up here yesterday, 68-69 F, 11% humidity, brilliant blue cloudless skies, no traffic and fantastic sweepers and perfect roads, and oh yes great eats at the Bear Wallow in Alpine. Also, no bugs.........................

Quit worrying about the small stuff, Dean We know where the man hides. do I have to come out there? Go ahead and twist my arm.

[SergioK]

If this bike sells in mass quantities I wouldn't be surprised if they are assembled in China via CDKs. They do that with the 3'r and 5'er so why not?

[Guest24]

Originally Posted by cageyar

I hear you both-I don't know what you are fearful of-if it doesn't interest you, no need to comment-free speech, free will, etc.

Oh, I'd love to jump in feet first, cageyar; but, I've already been down the road.
Me and another on this site have seen China up close and personal. Heck, they have the day shift and the night shift out in far western china where they make bricks day and night. I've never seen so many people in my life and they go on and on for miles and miles. The dirt cheap labor makes things for export that the workers will never see in their country for the forseeable future. things as insignificant as a small AA cell 98 cent fan. There are makers in this world and users. I'm one of the users. Fast food and service are us.

[cageyar]

Originally Posted by SergioK

If this bike sells in mass quantities I wouldn't be surprised if they are assembled in China via CDKs. They do that with the 3'r and 5'er so why not?

Exactly-BMW's plant in Shenyang is a state of the art production facility. I'm still searching for some definitive info on the S1000RR.