Power FRK product review

[lennie]

This truly is out of hand.

One person insists that another person who has trade secrets divulge those trade secrets in a public forum.

To spy on a company products and steal the trade secrets is considered industrial espionage.

If Bikerboy would just let it lie then nothing would be said. There is a history of this in the forum and as previously stated has been dealt with by our host here.

I personally think that we should consider out hosts graciousness at allowing us to be here and respect the fact that trade secrets are just that.

No amount of discussion or conjecture on Bikerboys part (or under any one of his handles) is going to get Robert divulge trade secrets.

Just accept that the product works and if not buy it with the money back guarantee and road test it yourself.

A good imparital post reporting about one persons exeprience with the install and use of a commercially available product to improve the running of his bike has turned into a farce with the same things repeated over and over.

Enough said.

[Yellow12]

This thread is frackin hilarious!
Not in a genuine comedic way; more of a 'are you kidding me' kind of way.

The thread started with a subjective review and opinion from shreddr and has turned into a complete gang fcuk.

Shreddr himself admitted that no dyno work has been done and there is still some testing to be done, but from the outset the FRK seems pretty good from first impressions and he's initially happy with it. (but not enough to sell the techlusion )

Now this is a tech forum, and I think a healthy technical discussion is to be valued, and I think everyone is entitled to their opinion.

HOWEVER.
The "What's in the FRK" and "does it really do anything" and "I think this is snake oil" thread has been and gone... A LONG TIME AGO!
Feel free to dig it up if you want to add comment to it. It was many pages of the same stuff we're hearing now.

After that, I think it's up to the individual owner to make his/her mind up over ANY product.
Sure, put your 2c in initially, especially if you think it will damage the bike, but ultimately after you have voiced your concerns, STFU!
EG: you've voiced concerns about doing something to a bike, the owner has chosen to ignore that advice, then if it blows up, burns valves, runs lean/rich or whatever....that was their call!

Now hug it out.

Ant

[chewie]

Yes I think it's pretty ordinary Owen.

fwiw and to anyones who is interested, these r12s's have automatic knock control, that's why you can run them on a lower octane if you have to. I remember reading about it before I bought my bike and thanks to Ian's (Eenybear) posting a while ago here is the brochure and on page 22 you will find it under fuel system.

http://www.pacificyamahabmw.com/images/bmw%20brochures/R1200S_MJ07_EAL.pdf

so from the other site where the tech says the knock control would prevent the valves from getting damaged from a lean condition - well if this is the case, then as I said - I am happy with a bike that doesn't have perfect fuelling. I've been to the track a few times, ridden on some wet and scary roads and it's been sweet enough for me.

As for the personal stuff - it should get chucked.

[jaytee]

Originally Posted by boxercup

Twisted - Boy Biker - Ole Biker - Peter Parts - Ben Baaa Baaa Black Sheep - Boris Barkoff...

Different names same ole stuff.

I'm sorry to say the once proud Pelican Parts R1200S board seems to be in sad, sad shape. Some of you old timers are so angry with boybiker3 that you are truly poisoning this space. I (and I'm sure most other lurkers) have no idea if he deserves it, but if he does for gosh sake ban him and be done with it. I'm sorry I got involved.

However several of you keep inferring that our (BMWST.com) Tech Mod "twisty1" is somehow related to bikerboy3. In your rush to judge/abuse/punish bikerboy3 you have seemingly assumed that twisty's personal observations about BMW's use of the AIT sensor in the boxer motors he has worked on are from one of boybiker3's aliases.

You are misinformed.

Originally Posted by lennie

This truly is out of hand.

One person insists that another person who has trade secrets divulge those trade secrets in a public forum.

To spy on a company products and steal the trade secrets is considered industrial espionage.

As to you and your cohort, lennie, no doubt you make a fine product in your cam gears, but on the issue of the FRK, "methinks the lady doth protest to much."



And now I wash my hands of this sordid mess.

Good Riddance.

[boxercup]

Greetings,

IS jaytee another alias for Ben?

[boxercup]

Greetings,

Blind speculation is very revealing, if you believe your own speculation.

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Again, take a resistor and try it and show us some repeatable empirical verifiable data.

Again, ALL purchasers are satisfied. Very satisfied. The Power FRK Module is dynamic and powerful!

Tuning 2.0

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Thanks for this opportunity!

[Guest24]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I'm about to strongly suggest to Wayne that he make me a moderator here.

Rick, if post count is a qualifier, you're in by default! But, be very careful of what you ask for it may be given to you. This thread too shall pass when the next grunt more gadget comes along to separate us fools from our hard earned money. I say us fools because I too buy in on gadget add ons that help me get to the speed limit + a few mph on the street. Not that my rides don't already leave 99.5% of what I meet at the stop light standing still already. This is really nothing more than us big boys screwing around with our expensive toys if we're really truthful with ourselves. Alas, I know that most of us will concoct some irrational excuse as to why we will throw cash at these bobbles instead of upgrading our over-priced health insurance.

Shall we continue with the bikerboy3 bashing or is it time for the checker flag to come out and be waved.

There was a thread a while back that put all of these arguments a rebuttals in perspective. All these extra gadgets do is lie to the ECU/ Motronic timing,fueling air-mixing, whatever to achieve a given (minor) change to the aforementioned devices. You can spend tons on the device, buy dyno time and at the end of the day it does one thing--you feel cool because you have played with your toy like no other boy has. To each his on because try as we might when we leave this patch of ground, our bike usually goes to the highest bidder.

Dr. Curves '99 11S still has the canister installed. No mod! It goes very fast. Maybe our $$'s would be better spent taking private lessons from a pro like Nate so he could race more and give us something better to be cheerleaders about. That's prolly a dollar's worth.

One interesting footnote. What is the resale value of an FRK?

[Bob Hancock]

Bubba. Paper says you're running for re-election. Does this mean yer a politician? They'll be in the same firing line as the lawyers you know.

[Guest24]

Originally Posted by Bob Hancock

Bubba. Paper says you're running for re-election. Does this mean yer a politician? They'll be in the same firing line as the lawyers you know.

I need immunity on the street.

[OwenM]

Originally Posted by boxercup

Greetings,

Blind speculation is very revealing, if you believe your own speculation.

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Again, take a resistor and try it and show us some repeatable empirical verifiable data.

Again, ALL purchasers are satisfied. Very satisfied. The Power FRK Module is dynamic and powerful!

Tuning 2.0

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Thanks for this opportunity!

So the FRK can do a better job of falsifying ambient air temperature input to the ECU than a resistor, sorry I don’t buy that for a minute. A resistor value can be selected to trick the ECU into thinking the air temperature is as cold as you like, how dose minus 40 degrees C sound.

I wonder how many of your customers have bothered to measure the resistance of the FRK and substituted a simple fixed resistor in its place for comparison.

[Bob Hancock]

Originally Posted by OwenM

I wonder how many of your customers have bothered to measure the resistance of the FRK and substituted a simple fixed resistor in its place for comparison.

Why what a marvelous idea, Owen! Since they have a money back guarantee you can buy one and test till you get bored then send it back with a "no thanks" for a full refund. Post your results here, please. And thank you for your efforts. So many just sit and type...all butt, mouth and fingers....good for you to take on this 'lil project.

[boxercup]

Originally Posted by OwenM

So the FRK can do a better job of falsifying ambient air temperature input to the ECU than a resistor, sorry I don’t buy that for a minute. A resistor value can be selected to trick the ECU into thinking the air temperature is as cold as you like, how dose minus 40 degrees C sound.

I wonder how many of your customers have bothered to measure the resistance of the FRK and substituted a simple fixed resistor in its place for comparison.

Many have and it can't be done.

It is not a resistor.

That's it. Prove that it is.

Again, blind speculation rather than objective theory.

[jduke]

I've dealt with Robert and I've found him to be an honest, friendly person. But then I didn't ask him for the design specs for his products either....
Bottom line, if anyone has doubts about any product Robert sells, BUT ONE AND TEST IT.
If you don't like what it does, send it back. He has a return policy.
But to continually attack a person or his product just doesn't make sense to me.
Either buy it, test it, keep it or send it back, or quit your damned *****ing.

[OwenM]

Originally Posted by boxercup

Many have and it can't be done.

It is not a resistor.

That's it. Prove that it is.

Again, blind speculation rather than objective theory.

What do you mean it can’t be done; the FRK must have mystical electrical properties not yet known to mankind. Pull the other one, it plays jingle bells. ROFL

[jduke]

Owen, put your money where you mouth is. Buy one and proof him wrong.

[OwenM]

Originally Posted by jduke

I've dealt with Robert and I've found him to be an honest, friendly person. But then I didn't ask him for the design specs for his products either....
Bottom line, if anyone has doubts about any product Robert sells, BUT ONE AND TEST IT.
If you don't like what it does, send it back. He has a return policy.
But to continually attack a person or his product just doesn't make sense to me.
Either buy it, test it, keep it or send it back, or quit your damned *****ing.

I don’t have a problem with the product, it is likely beneficial, however I DO have a problem with the language used in its marketing.

[jduke]

Then DON'T READ IT.
Gosh that was almost too simple.

[Bob Hancock]

Originally Posted by OwenM

I don’t have a problem with the product, it is likely beneficial, however I DO have a problem with the language used in its marketing.

I think the problem you have, Owen, is a money and mouth problem. But there's hope! You can do as I suggest! End all the speculation! You'll be a hero!

[OwenM]

I have the knowledge and test equipment required to map what the FRK presents to the temp sensor input of the ECU and it should not be too difficult to work out how it is doing it, even without cutting it open. On that basis I may well purchase one just to satisfy my curiosity, but somehow I don’t think I would be held out as a “hero” if I announced to the world what the FRK is doing.

I just looked at the FRK site and they don’t seem to list a product for a stock R1200RT, only one with a “performance slip on”.
The bike already has a smooth power delivery and no flat spots.

[Bob Hancock]

I wouldn't worry about the hero part. I've bought two of them and am a satisfied customer so it's not for me....I'm on to other things. But if you use your knowledge and your equipment to do a fair evaluation, I think that would be a useful service and others would be thankful. Just do the work and tell us what you find...."just the facts, ma'm"....no harm in that. Then let the spin-meisters, both positive and negative, have their say. Cream or turds will float to the top....and most folks here can tell the difference.