I don’t see how you can generalise the R1200 series Robert, there are significant differences between models. My R12RT is nothing like my R12S.

Stay on TOPIC! ;) ;) ;) ;)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1256140296.jpg

Interesting.

Stay on topic - Resistance Tuning!;)

My 2cents
 

To get this: ¢ type this : ampersand+cent;

My 2¢

now back to the discussion

Are you for real?

Stay on Topic!
 

The weather is perfect for a ride!

65 and Sunny!

Time for MegaMoto lunch run.

Play Nice - And stay On Topic!

Sure

Resistance tuning!

Focus on it Owen!

Later Dude!SmileWavy

Robert stay focused ! What do we do next? PM me

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E-Z,

Ride the Bike and give me your impressions before we dyno it!

Email me next time! -Your cryptic message is off topic in this thread.

Thanks Mate! ;)

Robert,

Perhaps you are unaware of the following and its reflection on you, FosterRad, and your products....

A growing number of us perceive your comments over the last year to be condescending, arrogant, and paternalistic. This perception, coupled with the lack of meaningful input from you to this particular thread (despite several posts) does little to enhance your reputation. In fact, it gives the impression that you are threatened by this discussion.

Further, your posts in other "fuel management" threads do little to increase the technical knowledge-base of Board members and serve only to promote your fuel management product while ridiculing those who attempt a technical discussion about how it works.

This is unfortunate because I have been led to believe that you provided valuable technical insight in the past.

I appreciate that you have a product to sell. I also appreciate that it works for several riders - in several cases, once the internal 'factory' settings have been modified to reflect their specific bike. I have bookmarked your site so I can visit there when I want to read your marketing material.

EenyBear, that's your opinion. I have gathered a lot of very good information from Robert. I have bought from him and found him to be very honest and informative. Even to the point of loosing a sale when what I had was probably not as good at his, but close enough so that the effort wouldn't be worth the result.
I just happened to be of the opinion that I don't want to know his proprietary information, just if he has a product that will solve a problem, what is costs, and can I return it if I don't get the expected outcome.
The biggest problem in this thread is that some people want to know information that Robert uses to make a living. If you want to be as knowledgeable as Robert on "fuel management" spend a few years of your life and some of your money and do the R&D Robert has.
Every product he sells has a return policy.

Well I say Robert generally has helpful input, and it's a lot more welcome than the whining about the product or marketing thereof. You've said you've bookmarked it, and I'm sure people have similarly made note of your ongoing critiques of Robert's product, and are, also largely, uninterested in them. If you have something to contribute, then by all means do. It would be much more welcome than just complaining.

He's a long term member of the board who has largely stuck to helping people, often on projects and with products he doesn't sell. That's OK in my book, whether he and I agree on all technical points or not.

Uh... no... this thread has nothing to do with Robert's products. That's my point.

Nothing in this thread should have anything to do with his proprietary information. His products have been promoted and discussed in several other threads. Further, both he and Ben have been asked by OwenM to take their proprietary info "scuffling" elsewhere.

OwenM has stated categorically that this technical thread should not degenerate into yet another Foster thread.

Perhaps the reason you think this has something to do with Robert is because he seems to have felt threatened by an open discuss on resistance tuning and jumped in and referenced his own product in this thread. And then he has persisted in taking on the role of 'thread policeman' - telling everyone to 'stay on topic'. Rather audacious to say the least. I think it's rude.

This is exactly why I made the comment. Yes, it is my opinion. And it is an opinion shared by others in increasing numbers.

And, for the record, I have spoken to Robert on the phone and received good advice that resulted in my approach to a custom exhaust system. In a seperate thread I made a point of thanking him for that valuable advice.

My opinion regarding his recent comments (bordering on hijack) still stands.

I hope you really don't think because someone starts a thread they are the god almighty and can say what can be discussed and what can't?
Threads are thrown out there for comment. Sometimes people agree with one side and sometimes people don't.
In my opinion if you don't like that format you might want to start your own website so you can more tightly control content.

Ok Now!
 

Greetings,

Let's get back on topic!

Resistance Tuning!

And yet Robert's points are still more on topic than the eeny input.
Nice to have so much help from the mod squad. What would I do w/o the citizen's auxiliary?

Robert and I collaborated some months ago on an FRK/Memjet project, and I have nothing but respect for his knowledge. I don't know what the "increasing numbers" are, probably 3 or 4. I ain't one of 'em. He has a unique way of expressing himself, German syntax with English words, that's all. Having a brother-in-law from Germany, I understand how their sense of humor and plain, to-the-point style of expressing themselves might be construed as borderline brusque. To me, it's refreshing.

P.S. Robert: Off-topic but short. To clarify, my centrifugal idea was to place the units on the lower shaft sprockets, not the cam sprockets. Seems to be plenty of room down there.

Hey..I did just that thing yesterday. Great!

This thread has......,

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1256253142.jpg

More correctly “air temperature input manipulation”, using resistors or anything else.;)

Whoa! Actually, I've never been critical of his products. Clearly they work and have satisfied many customers.

I have, once or twice, compared my subjective experience with a competing product with the subjective experiences of other people using Robert's product. I did this in good faith after watching other members do the same.

Also, I have spoken with Mr. Foster myself and he provided me with excellent advice for an exhaust project - so I am in complete agreement with your general assessment of his contributions. Also the fact that it did not involve pre- or post- sale service - just plain old good advice - impressed me quite a bit.

I shall try to appreciate the quirks of the senior members and go back to lurking.

Geez. I wish more people felt this way. :D

Hi eeny,

I hope you stay around for more than lurking. I did not mean to say you critiqued Robert's products, but only that you seem tired of the more marketing-oriented end of his input, and that others are equally tired of the critique thereof.

Always glad to have input on the board.

It's useful here with us crotchety types. Just pretend you're in a nursing home, or on the Formula-40 grid.

best
roger

NOTE: Slight Topic Modification!
 

Stay on topic!

Ok Now...!

Now the topic has been modified by Owen to “air temperature input manipulation”!

Go for it!;)

Why do you care if this thread stays on topic Robert, you don’t seem to care about any other thread.

I'm sending out a case of anti-panty-bunch spray this xmas. 10 for domestic consumption, and at least one each for north of the border, and one WAY WAY WAY south. heh-heh.

Hey Rog

Right about now you really need to remind yourself why you moderate...and then smash your thumb with a hammer to feel better:)

I slammed one finger in a drawer today, and ripped a calf muscle yesterday (thus so much on the keyboard, and missing a couple trackdays this weekend - grrrrr) Is that enough?

Did you rip it running? I did that a few months ago........took a while to heal up.

Nothing quite so pinpoint. It had been tight for a week or so. Then on the starting line of one of the SV races last weekend, a guy hit me a second or two into the race and put his footpeg into my calf. Was really sore, but good until yesterday. Then, just backing a bike down a ramp, it tore. The down a ramp backwards was just too much hyperextension. Good times.

Greetings Owen,

It is interesting to me as a tuner.

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Andrew, Ben and yourself are experimenting and that is good! I believe that you may have stopped though.

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Any progress Ben>?

How about Ben/Boy/Peter/Ole Biker/????, Hey Ben you have espoused that this Mod works.

We see that you are asking questions related to it on another board. Good Work!

Let us know your findings.

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Oh, BTW - Ben have you tried this - Do you like it?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1256575677.jpg

I'm with Robert. A lot of guys spent a lot of time brain storming this topic. I'd like to see if anyone has had any success. While I personally don't have the knowledge or desire to invent my own resistor tuning device, I would like to know if this line of tuning works.

Sorry to hear!
 

Although off topic... ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Sorry to hear Roger - That is painful for sure!:eek::eek::eek:

Unless it is a stage 3 tear (Total Separation)

Rx.

LROM

Alternate - Hot & Moist and Ice compresses (15 Minutes each) 5 X a Day

Be well our moderator!

---The inmates of the PPBB including the HP-2 Sport Section!;)SmileWavy

I'd say if the l-users whining about the FRK spent 1/2 as much time actually tuning as verbally blovinating they'd be done and have a fast scoot by now.

I would consider an FRK, or actually an RBIII but I have my wideband PCIII sorted out to my satisfaction.

some people just like to complain.
some people pretend to have multiple personalities while actually suffering from dementia
some people are just penis-craniums:)

I got my pigtail connectors today, and they fit. Progress!

I hope to pickup a GS-911 late this week.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...DSC_0159-1.jpg

As the originator of this thread I appreciate AndrewA getting us back on topic. I look forward to hearing about the results he creates with his testing.

WAY TO GO ANDREWA! :D

Nice!
 

Yes! For sure!

Greetings,

This is a good thing!

Go for it Andrew.

I was able to take a couple of minutes today to put my IAT spoofer together today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSC_0161.jpg



Here's the 10k pot, and 10k fixed resistor soldered together with the Bosch pigtails.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSC_0165.jpg


Installed in the mini hobby box.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSC_0167.jpg


Result.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...y/DSC_0168.jpg



The entire assembly took about 1/2 hour to put together, and allows adjustment of resistance from 9.67k ohms to 19.67k ohms just by turning to knob. Simple.


Ill be measuring the IAT "temperature" on a friends bike that has a similar spoofer installed. From numerous accounts on the web, I'm guessing that the spoofed temperature will be in the -25C range. We will see...

Once I get a baseline temperature to aim for, all I'll have to do is turn the knob on my device and watch the temperature fall via the GS-911 and a notebook.

Hopefully the 9.67k ohms to 19.67k ohms range of my spoofer will be enough. If not, Ill just solder in additional 10k hm resistors to the circuit till the temp via the GS-911 hits the target range.

Excellant, you are heading in the right direction. Just watch out for the plecebo affect. (G)