1000RR Makes A Difference To A Young Racer

[Dr. Curve]

Nice to go out on a stock bike and beat the time you had earlier done on a race prepared one................thoughts on how these types of happenings stir up the heat in BMW bike showrooms as the Spring months of Sport Bike purchase draw near.


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[macfly]

Great story, hope they do well at Fontana, I might well pop over to see that one.

[Dr. Curve]

He had never even ridden a BMW before, being a GSXR fan........so the fact that he would switch over instantly is a positive for future showroom activity concerning the new 1000RR. They are going to sell even as other fine bikes sit still, as webs form on the chrome. BMW sure did something right for the track and the hot streets.

[BMWRider]

Just read all about this bike in BIKE and FAST BIKES. They are normally pretty harsh on BMW but this time they actually gave the BMW S1000RR excellent reviews. FAST BIKES gave it a 10 out of 10 which I have never seen for any bike.

[Dr. Curve]

No telling what kinda strip times we'll be seeing when the quarter boys get their hands on one. Any thoughts on what the test times for the 1/4 mile will be for the new 1000RR once the mags have had their rounds of testing?

[BMWRider]

Originally Posted by Dr. Curve

No telling what kinda strip times we'll be seeing when the quarter boys get their hands on one. Any thoughts on what the test times for the 1/4 mile will be for the new 1000RR once the mags have had their rounds of testing?

BIKE tested it with the new fireblade (which they consider the best litre bike) and not only did it beat the blade in the test but it beat up on it at strip too...

Here are the times:

BMW Blade
0-60 3.0 3.0
0-100 5.3 5.7
1/4 10.2@149 10.4@144
top speed 189.4 179.7
RWHP 183.7 164

Those trap speeds can put both those bikes in the mid/high 9's stock.

BIKE also listed the S1000rr as the most powerfull bike ever tested and highest top speed ever tested. It has 3 more RWHP than the new busa!

Pretty impressive stuff so far. The article also stated that BMW bought 12 GSXR 1000 motors and took all the good out of it and left all the bad in order to create the new 1000rr.

They ALSO stated the Japs will definetly be responding to the 1000rr and that we should expect to see a 200-220 HP 1000 in the near future! YIKES! When will it end???

[Dr. Curve]

Thanks for the information and I am sure the regular Nay Sayers will ban you in their dreams. BMW with a bike that produces more RWBH that a BUSA!! Will run 189 and change right out of the box, and will stop quicker than any other in its class. Who would have ever believed this was coming. Thanks again Rider........

[BMWRider]

No problem...It's not just BIKE giving it praises...FAST BIKES which HATES BMW gave it the same review.

FAST BIKES said that compared to the blade the s1000rr was 10 SECONDS faster on the track! 10 Seconds!!!! Holy Hell! They gave credit to the all the electronic goodies doing the work correctly in all situations.

[BMWRider]

I can scan these articles btw...let me know...

[OwenM]

Originally Posted by Dr. Curve

I am sure the regular Nay Sayers will ban you in their dreams.

I don’t see why, not everyone buys a sports bike because it has the most top end power, is fastest around a race track or anywhere else for that matter. If that makes me a “Nay Sayer” so be it, I have seen and sat on the S1000RR and said “Nay”, not for me. If others think it’s the best bike for them great, it’s their choice.

[Guest24]

If massive hp is the panacea of racing, WHY isn't the S1000RR just running away from the PRB's and Ducati also since the PRB's are beating Ducati's. I'll say it again, hp ain't squat if you can't use it effectively. Is the S1000RR like the MotoGP Ducati--it takes a special rider like Casey Stoner to ride it? I predict that this bike will sell; but, like the Kawasaki, it will not make the podium unless BMW can find the right mix of rider and bike. Xaus should be given notice that he needs to move on. Corser is fantastic; however, he cannot take the bike to the podium.

[BMWRider]

Originally Posted by Nail24

If massive hp is the panacea of racing, WHY isn't the S1000RR just running away from the PRB's and Ducati also since the PRB's are beating Ducati's. I'll say it again, hp ain't squat if you can't use it effectively. Is the S1000RR like the MotoGP Ducati--it takes a special rider like Casey Stoner to ride it? I predict that this bike will sell; but, like the Kawasaki, it will not make the podium unless BMW can find the right mix of rider and bike. Xaus should be given notice that he needs to move on. Corser is fantastic; however, he cannot take the bike to the podium.

Good point. One part of the article did state that the blade makes the same power up to 11K rpms and that the big HP only comes in at the last few thousand rpm for the BMW (if I remember correctly).

I still applaud BMW for making something so good on the first shot with a relatively affordable price.

I would love to have one in that acid green color!

[boxercup]

Originally Posted by macfly

Great story, hope they do well at Fontana, I might well pop over to see that one.

Greetings macfly,

Pack your camera!

You take great pictures.

[markjenn]

Originally Posted by BMWRider

One part of the article did state that the blade makes the same power up to 11K rpms and that the big HP only comes in at the last few thousand rpm for the BMW (if I remember correctly).

This is basically correct. The S1000RR's hp advantage is quite simply explained really - they've made the engine more oversquare and done some valve train tricks to allow the engine to spin another 2K or so higher than the competition. Standard stuff - spin an engine faster and you make more power.

This trick usually pays a big price in the mid-range though. And while the BMW is a little soft in the 6K-9K range compared to the Japanese, its not down very much. And it's actually the strongest below 5K. I think the variable intake runners and exhaust pipe valving (3 of them), all ECU-controlled and fly-by-wire are the reason that BMW has extended the top end without paying a bigger price at the bottom. It's really a wonderful example of how to balance the compromises in a high-hp engine package, using all the available current technologies to best advantage. Maybe not revolutionary but VERY IMPRESSIVE.

As to why the bike isn't doing better in WSBK, three comments. First, this was a brand-new race team last year, and at this level of racing, new teams are fighting a huge learning curve. This year has just started, so too early to say much, although 7th and 10th isn't a bad showing at all from one bike, given that Xaus basically binned the second bike into a non-contributing status. Second, now that development of the bike has begun to mature, I'm not sure Corser and Xaus are the best guys to be pushing for podiums given the high level of talent current in WSBK. They may need some younger, hungrier riders. Third, as already mentioned, outright horsepower isn't what is winning WSBK races this year - it's more the sophistication of the electronics and software packages that makes the difference. And I dont' think there is very much carryover between the electronics and software on the street bike and what's on the race bike. BMW went with their own software/electronics package when they started last year (to gain more experience in these systems for use on the production bikes) rather than plug-and-play the standard package used by the other teams. I think they still have a long ways to go.

Racing at this level moves so far beyond the basic production bike that you really can't infer what is the best production bike from racing results. Witness the WSBK Suzukis this year which had essentially no changes in the production bike, yet have moved from mid-pack at best to first.

- Mark

[Dr. Curve]

Mark, if the "valve train tricks" that BMW have come up with were simple the other I4 builders would have already figured them out. This is a GREAT engine, not in any way just an extension of a same old design. While there are about 2900 RPMs in the 6 to 9 RPM where the BMW engine has slightly less torque..........it has more HP everywhere else in the RPM range up to and on past the competitors red lines, at least on the street bikes which concern us most. I agree with you on your other points but don't believe you see the full extent of creativity and design in this new power unit. There will be many buyers who will never even think about using all the power, nor do they want to............instead just knowing it is truly there will be a big selling point for years to come. Pacific Rim builders will need to increase their prices while BMW will stay the same in relation to the economy at the time. What a GREAT time to be a BMW dealer...........my only problem now with BMW distribution being their decision to increase their number of multiple-marque dealerships..............a REAL mistake in my opinion. The reasoning given is to get BMWs into the visual proximity of young hot dogs out to buy their first serious super bike.........and as they look at the blade, gix, kaw, and zuki............they will also have the chance to make direct comparison to the BMW super bike. The desirability of the BMW will be so obvious that they will come to their senses, buy the most powerful and safest super bike in the world, put on their helmet and leave with a Roundel on their tank. Hope BMW is right..........but I still would like single brand dealerships, and that is the only kind I would buy a BMW from.

[Guest24]

Jim, BMW is using the increased hp as a marketing tool on the S1000RR If you pull the engine the rest of the bike is not any different than the PRB's. BMW can't yet use al that hp effectively in WSBK. Markjenn, I hear you but the qualifing position of the BMW team hasn't moved any appreciable amount. Superpole is the key to success in WSBK. If you can't get on the front row, you must pray for crashes to improve your chances of a podium. Corser moved up via crashes.

[Dr. Curve]

Agreed........in part. While Corser moved up via crashes.........other continued to go back in position because they still could not catch up and BMW was not one of them. BMW then, "is in the Hunt," at least. They will work out the tire problems being encountered in qualifying and it should not take too long in these next, early season, races. The engine, its fly by wire electronic system, the valve train, staged power control, and all the rest are indeed very different from the others and most of the young guns only know how to ride the current design in bikes so they (the WSB bikes) all look alike to some extent. But BMW has come in to this season wonderfully. Who knows what happened with the young rider on the team in the early bump and tumble, but the maturity of Corser was there to pick it up..............exactly one of the reasons he was hired......to help balance out the, at times "unbridled enthusiasm" of the youngest guns. By the next race BMW may have the other riders settled down and riding on tires they can feel........Corser can ride a pace where he usually does and BMW might can get someone in ahead of him. They are a team and this is going to be a strong year for them. Lots to sort out, characteristics of a new bike to learn, pavement to overcome, and seconds to gain. Give them time.......it was only the first race and they got two top ten finishes. Those are our brother bikes out there........pull for them.

[roger albert]

I think Mark's analysis of the motor and bike is spot on. My only slight divergence is that I'm not quite as hopeful about 7th and 10, given the double benefit of so many crashers, and it being Corser's home track. Realistically, they'd have been about 4 places lower. My other concern is that they're still stinking up superpole. But, one race is not much of a data sample, so I'm going to stay hopeful.

Back here at home, I'm talking to a dealer and rider and trying to bridge the gap between them, probably throwing in some heavily discounted suspension support, to get an A-Superstock effort going with one. A lot of talk, but not much happening yet. The BMW's motor would be a big plus at Eagles Canyon, and bigger still at Texas World.

[BMWRider]

Can it stop the zx14 is the real question...LOL!