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Don't piss em off or they will shoot you..

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I hope he gets the full jail term, and get f'ed hard in there every day - I can't believe they let idiots like that become officers of the law.

What running?? From the time he lit them up until he shot him was only 15 seconds, not much of a chase.

Looked like the guy was trying to find neutral, and I hope the prosecutor points out that he probably did not immediately throw op his hands because he was holding the clutch.

What is it with the shoot first, ask questions later mentality? This makes me angry.
As we now know, the officer got a full term vacation in the crowbar hotel.
Perhaps he'll be repeatedly invited to "take turns picking up the bar of soap".
The young man is still in a wheelchair.
Hardly justice.

Yes, well, sorry to say that’s the sort of thing that happens in a gun crazy society.:(

Shocking. I wouldn't want to be a loud pirate in Ottawa Hills based on the demos that I read about the place. Expect a higher degree of "law and order" in places like that.

On the local front here, our cops here have just been outfitted with some new SIG assault rifles that they are very proud of. Targets on the other hand still have a slim chance as a number of the new weapons go click instead of bang when called to duty.

Gun crazy ? Yeah we're crazy about a lot of fun things.

geo

uh oh. :)

I guess he shoulda used the kill switch. The cop sure tried to use his.

Welcome to the police state, it only gets worse as they expand their powers. In the last few years the police have quadrupled in my area. They shoot someone on an almost daily basis. It has nothing to do with gun happy & everything to do with an us against them attitude. Our police have lost their vision of law & order or justice & now deal it out on the streets as they see fit. I've been involved in an incident where we were arrested at gun point for riding over a wooden bridge in a park, nothing said we couldn't, no signs or warnings. Officer unfriendly came flying up, jumps out & draws down on us both. This is an area we visit often on our rides & had waved at the officers before as they drove by without incident. This moron however had other plans as he stated "you got trouble now". When he spotted my friends clip on his concealed holster he went totally weird on us. My friend kept telling him not to shoot him as he is grabbing for it & holding his gun at my friends head. If I wanted to at this time I could of easily drawn & shot this idiot as he was fixating on my friend. After clearing my friend he came for me & also disarmed me. For about the next hour and a half we were checked out, harassed & berated. Eventually a superior was called in & it was discovered we were allowed to carry legally where we were. There was still the question of the bridge ride & we were summoned for illegal riding, note this was a misdemeanor summons. After four court appearances we were found not guilty as charges were dropped for lack of evidence. Nobody we talked to even knew if the charges were legal or what the code on the summons was. Turns out they used the numbers on the sign at the entrance to the park which said nothing about riding anywhere. To say they've lost contact is underexagerating the point. We are the enemy! Beware & very afraid of the police.

While I don’t condone the officers actions for an instant I can understand that Police are very apprehensive in an environment where many of the people they have to deal with are armed. The fact that you and your friend where armed is case in point.

In places where Police officer’s almost never in their working lives come into contact with anyone armed with a hand gun, especially concealed on their person they understandably have a very different attitude and so do the jurisdictions they work for.

Owen,

I totally get your viewpoint, but as a former sworn peace officer I can tell you if that if the anecdotal tale from sgoodwin is ANYWHERE near accurately portrayed, drawing down on someone over a "supposed" misdemeanor infraction would have seen me placed on administrative leave for at least a month and would possibly have led to my de-certification as an officer. "Clearing" your holster should only be done in situations where the officer feels personally threatened or is conducting an arrest procedure on a known or suspected felon. Driving over a bridge is not a felony in this country. At least not to my knowledge. (LOL)

Possibly not enough information about the circumstances was given, but abuse of police powers DOES happen and is not to be condoned.

Back to the original posting/video clip....that dimwit officer should NEVER been sworn in....what a f'ing idiot!

Okay, I'll exit my soap box now...

Bill J

I agree that the officer will never get due punishment for paralyzing the kid.

If the cop had a brain he would have easily determined that unless the rider was Linda Blair from the exorcist, there is NO way the rider could turn and fire at him by rotating to his right. If the front of the bike is 12 o'clock, then the officer was approaching from the 7-8 o'clock direction, unless the rider just put the gun over his shoulder or head and aimed randomly, there is NO way he could twist clockwise enough to even see him in his peripheral vision, let alone aim and fire while straddling the bike.

Nope, I don't feel sorry for the cop, he either was a cowboy with a chip on his shoulder, or a hapless Barney Fife. Either way he should not be an officer.

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An example of restraint by armed officers who choose to use 9mm feet instead.

geo

Yes, well, sorry to say that’s the sort of thing that happens in a feet crazy society.

definitely not enough information, first off.

I dont care if you judge this incident harshly. It turned out all wrong, and there are mechanisms in place for dealing with it. Hell, maybe he was on the prowl to make some bones. I dont know the guy. But do you really suppose this guy was predisposed from the day he got hired to gun someone down for no reason?

I have pointed a gun at more people than i care to tell you about. And killed a guy about 3 sceonds after he walked out a door and pointed a .45 at me without a word. Three hours later, I was picking up my boy, and trying not to think about the alternative outcome.

Decisions made quickly, are decisions made. And sometimes wrongly.

sometimes, no matter how bad the results, it is just a huge horrible irrevesible error.

Brian, I'm sorry that happened to you buddy. The majority of LEO's go their entire career without having to use deadly force. Taking a life is not a pleasant thing to do. But, when facing the alternative- there is no alternative.

There are ONLY 2 outcomes of a motorcycle pursuit. Either the rider goes down, or gets away, Thats it. Theres no point in 222hp 4,500lb (with gear) vehicle to try to chase a 170hp motorcycle.

I worked for a yamaha dealer, there was a 22 year old kid that had his bike laid down by a neighbor and it was in there for the wreck repair. This kid was in there every day waiting, wishing for his bike to be done. I stayed one night to finish it. I went home, slept, came back into work at noon and did a ride to make sure everything was good and tight. Came back and wiped down the rotors, checked fluids, and gave it another once over. He picked it up 20min after I called at 6 to let him know it was done.

I got in from the weekend (closed monday too) and a few guys were sitting around the shop with thier heads down. The kid ran from a speeding ticket, lost it at 100, hit a fence, and then a tree, no helmet.

This came one month after we sold a new r6 to a 20yr old that was susposed to take it home cause he didnt have an endorsement, we offered over and over. He was susposed to take it home which was 4 miles away, instead he takes it on the interstate and opens it up with brand new rubber, 20min after turning that key, hes not with us.

I left after thoes events.

Ottawa Hills ? Isn't that Canada ? The canadians are not that gun fetishistic than most folks in the US, are they ?

But even we in bavaria had such a case a few years ago, it was a patrol of two policewomen who letally shot a thief in his back when he just tried to run in order to avoid his id card checked. Since that case there has to be one male officer in a patrol in Bavaria. The women obviously were too trigger-happy. :eek:

Ottawa is the national capitol of Canada, but this Ottawa hills is near Toledo Ohio in the US.

Canada is much more restrictive with gun laws, but do have a large hunting population and lots of long guns. I believe their restrictions lean more towards hand guns.

Not much of a pursuit though, about 10 seconds from the time he turned on the Siren until the kid stopped. Why the one guy crashed is beyond me, don't think he was running, but got distracted. Looks like the riders started to slow down as soon as they saw the lights, I didn't see them accelerating away after being lit up. They did acceleratefrom the stop (they obviously didn't know a cop was behind them), and the cop had not turned on lights or siren at that time.

The defense lawyer also tried to make the point that he didn't put his hands up, but if I got caught doing something stupid, and pulled over within a few seconds, I would not put my hands in the air.