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2001A6 03-01-2011 06:26 PM

Possible part out
 
Thinking about parting the bike out. Yellow 07 R1200S. Perfect body work, smoked double bubble, painted pillion and stock rear seat, Remus slip-on, Perfect wheels(wide rear) with like new Mich pilot power 2CT tires(3000mi), Perfect factory Ohlins, brakes, telelever/paralever, frame/subframe..


Only bad parts are the engine block, trans case, ABS module and FPR. Top end of the motor is perfect, with factory valve cover protectors.

Not 100% if the bike will be completely parted out, we are toying with the idea of an R with ohlins, S tail and a 190 rear, but I wanted to see how much interest there is in S parts.

I know theres a parts wanted/for sale thread, but nothings final yet. So if your looking for some specific parts, let me know. :)

macfly 03-01-2011 06:33 PM

I could be up for the handle bar controls complete, especially if it is a heated grips one.

ckcarr 03-01-2011 06:37 PM

I'd be in line for the Ohlins if you decide to sell if we could come to a deal.

Thanks!

2001A6 03-01-2011 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macfly (Post 5876662)
I could be up for the handle bar controls complete, especially if it is a heated grips one.

Yes they are heated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckcarr (Post 5876668)
I'd be in line for the Ohlins if you decide to sell if we could come to a deal.

Thanks!

Noted.

Thanks guys, will keep you posted!

Steve Carlton 03-01-2011 07:30 PM

I think Bill Mundis is gonna want the shocks.

signit98 03-01-2011 07:33 PM

Why not get a used motor/tranny and keep the bike running as it is?

It's not going to be that dramatic... these things pop up on ebay or boneyard, are not super expensive and I'd like to think that you may be better off that way...

Steve Carlton 03-01-2011 07:39 PM

Not so sure. What's a nice R1200S worth these days- $9K? What do you think one that's been blown up and had the motor/transmission replaced with a used set- $7-8K? What's the cost of a motor/transmission assembly replacement vs the salvage value of a part-out? Seems close to a toss up to me.

2001A6 03-01-2011 08:16 PM

Looking at around 3 grand or more for a used S engine/trans, then a starter, FPR, ABS. Figuring between the cost of fixing, and the worthless resale value, its a toss up like Steve said.

I wanted to see what interest there is for parts, it is pretty rare, and new parts are insane. So if theres alot of interest, I'll part it out. If not, then maybe rebuild it. I'm open minded right now.

signit98 03-01-2011 10:08 PM

Naturally, it'll only be worth it if you do it yourself... you don't need to have an "S" engine... you still have all the top end components, right?

I have seen blocks go for around $650 and trannys for around $500... starters are to be had for around $120 but I don't know about FPR or ABS module.

It'll not be worthless, as it will not be a salvage, you just have a rebuilt engine in there.... I can't see how that will decrease the value by as much as if it would be a salvage. You are not selling it with the BLOWN engine, you are selling it (if you are ever going too) with a functional setup!

But hey, it's your bike, Matt...

muzza 03-01-2011 11:52 PM

Are you interested in selling the painted pillion Let me know
Good luck whatever way you go

cageyar 03-02-2011 01:12 AM

I'd be interested in the bodywork - let me know.
Thanks.

shreddr 03-02-2011 03:29 AM

like Ralf said, you just need to get some used parts and build it up. you may get a decent price for some of the pieces, but you will end up selling the rest as scrap, like the frame, fork, telelever, drive shaft. etc. you get the picture. if you want an idea of how those things move, go to the german ebay website and search on R1200S and you will find parted out bikes like you are talking about. the desirable stuff goes fast, but most just sits there for a long time.

i posted a few links for you of engines and transmissions, and if you only need a short block it will be even less. why throw out the baby with the bathwater?

here's a few links

BMW R 1200 S, R1200S, Motor bei eBay.de: Markenspezifische Teile (endet 06.03.11 22:34:24 MEZ)

BMW HP2 Megamoto R1200 S Getriebe mit ca. 8300 km TOP bei eBay.de: Markenspezifische Teile (endet 18.03.11 19:26:05 MEZ)

BMW HP2 Megamoto;R 1200S;R 1200 S Getriebe TOP bei eBay.de: Markenspezifische Teile (endet 18.03.11 20:38:40 MEZ)

Getriebe (ca. 4.500 Km) BMW R 1200 S, 06- bei eBay.de: Markenspezifische Teile (endet 09.03.11 23:32:26 MEZ)

Guest24 03-02-2011 04:31 AM

The R1200S is going to become a rare bike in the USA. Unless you need the small amount of cash it will bring as a parts bike- rebuild.

ckcarr 03-02-2011 04:34 AM

I've got to agree with Steve Carlton on this one. Four things to consider are:

1. Your mechanical expertise and enjoyment of projects like the rebuild. Many, many of these type projects end up in the corner of the garage. Are you already experienced with projects like this?

2. Your available time, and desire to do this work. Are you working full-time, part-time, or unemployed? Do you have a knowlege base or will you be devoting time to the manual (reading), and then every weekend though the summer and fall to the project.

3. Your personal finances. These swing both ways. If you have a lot of cash, then you might just want the best you can get out of it, and be willing to absorb the remaining loss. I've blown thousands over the years, just don't look back and don't become paralized by the fear of losing some money. Conversely, If you are short on cash, then you might need the money you receive by parting out for living expenses, or just put that up as a down-payment on something else, and move on.

4. You were provided links to Germany. I certainly would not be going to that trouble to piece back together a bike that won't be worth that much. It may not be worth salvage bike prices, but it's not going to be worth an "immaculate" undamaged price either. Somewhere in between. Most people looking for these bikes want a pristine example, or one that has been well taken care of. Explaining this history will result in a lower price, if only because of the psychological effect. And that brings you back to the difference between parting-out and final selling price (after all parts, labor, fluids, etc...)

Rebuttals?

Reformed Squid 03-02-2011 04:39 AM

If you do part it out, I'm interested in windscreen & wheels.

Bill Mundis 03-02-2011 04:55 AM

I've got some shocks Steve, as well as bags and mounts. Thanks for looking out for me. I'll let you know when I need more parts and accessories.

Steve Carlton 03-02-2011 04:59 AM

Seems to be a good appetite here for your parts...

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1299074388.jpg

ckcarr 03-02-2011 05:05 AM

Those guys totally gave me a flashback of the Riviera Country Club (aka. the "Riv") in beautiful Glendale Colorado.

Guest24 03-02-2011 05:06 AM

ck, there are some work-arounds for a couple of these. Dee and others (self included) have found that friends that have the expertise will help in most instances.

This should not be put on the front burner if you have other obligations. The tie you'd spend riding could be the time you allot to the project.

The pace at which you repair the bike can be paced by a cash and carry approach.

I'd stay away from oversea acquisitions if at all possible. The cost of shipping would be better if applied to parts obtained in the USA.

schoolbusbob 03-02-2011 05:33 AM

Parts
 
What about buying a salvaged RT and parting it out the save the "S"?

ShortBus Driver 03-02-2011 05:55 AM

Come along, Bob. You know you're not supposed to talk to strangers!

Guyf 03-02-2011 07:31 AM

I'd be interested in the Remus slip on and the cylinder head protectors.

ckcarr 03-02-2011 08:16 AM

I'd also be interested in the black seat if it's fair price.

CoffeeGuy 03-02-2011 09:25 AM

Or you can drop it off at my house (I'm 25 miles away), and I'll put it together (if I can keep it)!

BoxerFanatic 03-02-2011 10:16 AM

Sounds like a good candidate for an engine swap.

Too bad there probably aren't very many good R1200 DOHC engines out in the wild, without functional bikes around them already.

DOHC GS, RT and R haven't been out very long, and HP2S probably don't have a lot of spares or functional engine salvage units just lying around.

But one would have the first, and one of a kind non-HP2 R1200S DOHC bike.

shreddr 03-02-2011 11:22 AM

he would need the ECU if he were going for the DOHC swap.

why not find an independent mechanic, and have them swap the broken parts? what is really broken, the engine and trans cases and the clutch? just because the dealer said it is a complete loss doesn't mean it can't be fixed at a reasonable cost. what they are saying is that it can't be fixed by them at a reasonable cost.

the cases themselves are $1300, and the trans housing is $900. I don't know your mechanical ability, but a good independent guy ought to be able to do it in a weekend, you could do the strip down yourself and just give him the engine. make a deal...

AZ-Twin 03-02-2011 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2001A6 (Post 5876648)
Thinking about parting the bike out. Yellow 07 R1200S. Perfect body work, smoked double bubble, painted pillion and stock rear seat, Remus slip-on, Perfect wheels(wide rear) with like new Mich pilot power 2CT tires(3000mi), Perfect factory Ohlins, brakes, telelever/paralever, frame/subframe..


Only bad parts are the engine block, trans case, ABS module and FPR. Top end of the motor is perfect, with factory valve cover protectors.

Not 100% if the bike will be completely parted out, we are toying with the idea of an R with ohlins, S tail and a 190 rear, but I wanted to see how much interest there is in S parts.

I know theres a parts wanted/for sale thread, but nothings final yet. So if your looking for some specific parts, let me know. :)

What would you take for the complete bike, as it sits, someone comes and hauls it away, clean title and all?

macfly 03-02-2011 12:24 PM

I may have missed what actually happened in an earlier thread, but this has certainly piqued my curiosity. What has caused the motor to suffer such a catastrophic demise?

renn-boxer 03-02-2011 12:29 PM

Also interested in complete bike
 
i would also like a project, let me know your price for everything? Thanks Craig

AZ-Twin 03-02-2011 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macfly (Post 5878052)
I may have missed what actually happened in an earlier thread, but this has certainly piqued my curiosity. What has caused the motor to suffer such a catastrophic demise?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/bmw-r1100s-r1200s-tech-forum/556327-catastrophic-clutch-failure.html

AZ-Twin 03-02-2011 12:58 PM

Matt,

If you part it out I am interested in that belly pan if it survived the dyno event.

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u.../R1200S013.jpg

shreddr 03-02-2011 01:07 PM

definitely 2 schools of thought here, or actually one school of thought and another school of barracudas! :D

fix it Matt! it will be the project of a lifetime, and you will learn lots!

CoffeeGuy 03-02-2011 02:56 PM

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definitely 2 schools of thought here, or actually one school of thought and another school of barracudas! <img src="http://forums.pelicanparts.com/ultimate/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg"><br>
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fix it Matt! it will be the project of a lifetime, and you will learn lots!
Agreed. Bury the demons.

gs mack 03-02-2011 03:43 PM

r 1200s parts
 
SmileWavyI have a like new abs unit of my track bike $200.

AndrewA 03-02-2011 04:05 PM

How much for the whole bike?

2001A6 03-02-2011 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoxerFanatic (Post 5877786)
Sounds like a good candidate for an engine swap.

Too bad there probably aren't very many good R1200 DOHC engines out in the wild, without functional bikes around them already.

DOHC GS, RT and R haven't been out very long, and HP2S probably don't have a lot of spares or functional engine salvage units just lying around.

But one would have the first, and one of a kind non-HP2 R1200S DOHC bike.

This was a thought. There was an HP2S on crashed toys for 6 grand. Body work was kind of messed up, but powertrain/ecm/dash was perfect. Would have been a neat combo, especially since I prefer the lines of the 12S to the HP2. Might be the only one.
Quote:

Originally Posted by shreddr (Post 5878171)
definitely 2 schools of thought here, or actually one school of thought and another school of barracudas! :D

fix it Matt! it will be the project of a lifetime, and you will learn lots!

Part of me wants too, alot of me wants too, Thought about an R/RT/GS bottom end. I believe the pistons are different, but I still have the top end. Would be easier to find, and probably cheaper.

I'll let all you guys know if it gets stripped. I'll have to think about what its worth as a whole. Showroom fresh bike in need of a new heart.

Decisions decisions....

macfly 03-02-2011 09:40 PM

Showroom fresh bike in need of a new heart - $4k I'd guess, problem is if you combine it with an HP2 at $6k + work, you'll end up being deep into a mongrel that won't sell for what a clean R1200S would. Thats the really problem, you could end up spending a lot of cash on this, so you gotta know this is 'the one'. If not sell and the one you really want.

shreddr 03-03-2011 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by macfly (Post 5878990)
Showroom fresh bike in need of a new heart - $4k I'd guess, problem is if you combine it with an HP2 at $6k + work, you'll end up being deep into a mongrel that won't sell for what a clean R1200S would. Thats the really problem, you could end up spending a lot of cash on this, so you gotta know this is 'the one'. If not sell and the one you really want.

we are not bike dealers, we are enthusiasts, you fix it to keep it, and if you keep it, it doesn't matter what its worth to anybody else, only to you. also as has been mentioned before, a straight out parts swap for what is broken doesn't result in a mongrel, just a repaired bike.

putting an HP2S engine in would not be a cost effective repair you will need the ECU which is gonna be pricey.

in the right hands, or in the hands of someone willing to shop around for good parts deals, this is a $2500 repair tops assuming you do the work

wswartzwel 03-03-2011 04:25 PM

How much for the clutch and transmission cases?

shreddr 03-03-2011 04:38 PM

depends on which one you need, $985 for the big one

http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fic...png?v=03192010


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