SBX or SBC for Boxer Cup?

[dkhall]

Hi all!
I recently took delivery of a 2002 Boxer Cup (Silver). I am very happy with it so far. (But I still kept my Hooligan Buell Cyclone - Zippers 88 cid ).
There has been several references to the Boxer Cup model as an SBX, my purchase paperwork refers to it as an SBC. Are these just informal designations/abbreviations or actually a part of the model number?

thanks in advance.

[Bob in Tucson]

The paperwork for my unit -- I'm pretty sure -- said R11SBX.

[bigwhup]

Maybe its a build date issue? Mine is titled SBX.

[dsl]

Think mine said SBC too - for S model, B boxer, C cup but I think dealer just wrote that as his own informal acronym on the receipt. Not aware of different Boxer Cup models.

Here's a weird question for SBX owners - did you get a lug wrench to remove the rear wheel with your tool kit? I don't think it's included with the SBX (although I pointed it out to the dealer on pick up and he threw one in). That must explain the price difference .

Congrats, you'll love it - I do.

[Bob in Tucson]

My dealer pointed out that a piece was missing from the tool kit on these models because it had no center stand. To be honest, I wasn't paying all that much attention as to what the missing piece was... lug wrench. Odd.

[dkhall]

thanks for the replies. When I receive my title in the mail I will post how the model is identified. DSL - I think I got a lug wrench in my toolkit, I will check tonight.


Ken Hall

[dfaber]

Get inside the German mind. The manual explains how to change the rear tire and prefaces the section with "For models with Center Stand only". Because there is no Center Stand, they delete the lug wrench from the tool kit of the SBX and "Light" models. Note that the do not tell you how to change out the oil, which they feel should only be done by the dealership mechanic.

[dsl]

Now I remember... German logic - if you can't get the wheel off the ground, what do you need the lug wrench for.

Well, I put a centerstand on my SBX .

[Mike Gehl]

Come to think of it, my "light" is missing the lug wrench too.

Should it have been included? I think so.

Thanks,

Mike

[Derry Walsh]

I remember that my R1100SL came with out a lug wrench too. My dealer gave me one anyways.
The "German Mind" concept has me worried. What other areas might this "mind set" have impinged on?
Potentially and entirely new thread here...

[dfaber]

It is a paternalism thing. Actually I like it. They don't want you to mess around with their bikes. You have to be pretty sure of what you are doing before you go in there and change stuff. How many junior hot rodders take perfectly good Hondas and Harleys and mess them up?

[dsl]

BMW is definitely starting to adopt that paternistic attitude. They've got all those blue/white dabs of tamper-indicating paint on key bolts and on the '02s they've changed an number of bolts (eg, brake calipers) from common Hex to the harder-to-find Torx. One of the key selling points of the BMW boxer *used to be* simplicity, ability to self wrench, and everything being out in the open. Now I'm afraid to touch anything or it may void my warrantee.

[dfaber]

And they were great bikes in their day, but today's machines are much more sophisticated. BMW Boxers are still the easiest bikes to perform routine maintenance on, hands down. They also handle way better than the old boxers, get more power, etc, and they are more engineered, less happy with shade-tree mechanical finagling.

I miss pulling the heads off of my old Camaro. I can't even change out the plugs on my Audi, but it is a far better car, really.

[Mike Gehl]

Yeah - but my concern is if I get a flat (or worse) when riding, then I can't remove the wheel to haul it to a shop for a replacement/repair if something more severe than a simple puncture occurred.

A buddy of mine (Harley rider) had a tire go flat due to a pinched tube from an incompetent shop mount job, 200 miles from home. No tool included to unmount the tire, so it was a trailer job to haul the whole bike to a tire shop for a repair.

...not that a trailer isn't a natural place for a Harley anyway ;-)

Now I don't have a lug wrench to remove the rear wheel, so it would be a trailer job for me too. Should one have been included?

Mike

[dsl]

Can't argue with the benefits of technology but I still would like to do some wrenching myself since a) a dealer won't be as much of a perfectionist and b) it would help with some roadside repairs.

BTW dfaber, Avant 1.8T and R11S? Very versatile pair - you should be ready for anything .


Mike, do you have a center stand? If not, isn't it a trailer job anyway?

[Merrimac]

About those dabs of paint:

Usually those dabs of paint are put there as a visual means of confirming the fastner has been torqued to the proper specification. The person torquing the fastner places the dab of paint on the fastner when the operation is completed. This is a common quality verification step in many industries.

Take a look under the hood of any car today and you will find all kinds of fastners with this dab of paint. If you pull and engine a part, you will often find a dab of colored ink, paint would not survive inside an engine, on each connecting rod fastner.

Again, it is just a visual quality verification step.

Jeff "S" Moore

[Mike Gehl]

Nope - no center stand.

When we had the "Harley incident", we conveniently found chunks of railroad tie laying around and used those to prop up his bike for examination. Maybe we should carry a few chunks around ;-)

Seriously, you can usually find some things laying around as log as you keep away from the interstates.

Mike

[dsl]

Even the blue dabs on the TPS?

[ErricZ]

What blue dabs on the TPS?



White paint = torqued ok!

Blue paint = Berühren Sie nicht unter Strafe des Todes! (DON'T ****** TOUCH THIS! JA!?!?)