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Captain Ahab Jr 09-24-2021 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 11466658)
Doesn't that describe 1/2 the cars in England? :D

How are the rotisserie plans coming?

Cars over here seem to get more super sized with each new generation :confused:

Rotisserie and car lift are both on the back burner for now

Container shipping from China to the UK have gone up 11x since the beginning of the pandemic. A container was just over $2k now nearly $25k :eek:

Don't need either urgently, not like I've run out of jobs to do :D so I'll buy later, hopefully shipping cost will calm down as the world gets back to the new normal

daepp 09-24-2021 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr (Post 11466624)
Scott, the simplicity of your brothers idea is genius!

Now if I can find some lightweight cars I like under 11.5ft long then I could easily fit in 6 cars on the triple stacker lift :cool:


My buddy built a 6 car garage, but it holds about 12 of these. Of course, going fast isn't really a thing for him.

Just sayin Cap'tn...

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Captain Ahab Jr 09-24-2021 02:23 PM

David, I've been a racing man all my life, working at doing everything as quickly as possible

Novelty is wearing off so I'm starting to appreciate the enjoyment that can be had from small, slow but fun cars

I'd love to add one these to my collection, an automotive design icon, it's a Fiat Panda 4x4, tiny car by American standards

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javadog 09-24-2021 02:28 PM

As narrow as the English roads can get, a small car has a little bit of appeal. Still, I can’t bring myself to ride around in a tin can that wouldn’t survive any sort of wreck. Modern safety standards of spoiled me a little bit.

Captain Ahab Jr 09-24-2021 02:38 PM

I ran one of these as my daily, Peugeot 205 GTi 1.6ltr, weighed under 2000lbs, Mrs Ahab referred to it as the 'Bean Tin', hated driving it

Would love to own one again but if I did I'd drive it like I would if I rode a motorbike on the road ie think everyone is an idiot and they're out to kill me

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javadog 09-24-2021 03:03 PM

I would drive that long before I would drive a Fiat panda.

I wouldn’t drive either of those in the US, too many 8000 pound pick up trucks on the road now.

masraum 09-26-2021 06:03 AM

I can't believe that I've somehow completely missed this thread for the past 3+ years!

I've spent the last 3 days reading it end to end. Capt, thank you so much for posting! The pics, history, construction details, transformation and the way you tell the story are all fantastic. I've been glued to this post as if it were a good book.

The two of you are an amazing duo!

Thank you for posting.

Oh, I almost forgot, your story about the well reminded me of this story that I read a while back.

https://www.abroadintheyard.com/plymouth-man-discovers-historic-medieval-well-and-hidden-sword-under-his-living-room-floor/

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Colin Steer has uncovered a medieval well, with an old sword hidden in it’s walls, under the living room floor of his Victorian home in Plymouth.


Colin was curious about a slight indentation in the floor when he first moved into the property in Mannamead Road, Plymouth, 24 years ago. He told the Plymouth Herald, “I was replacing the joists in the floor when I noticed a slight depression – it appeared to be filled in with the foundations of the house. I dug down about one foot and saw that it was a well, but my wife just wanted to me to cover it back up because we had three children running around at the time. I always wanted to dig it out to see if I could find a pot of gold at the bottom, so when I retired at the end of last year that’s what I did.”
Colin believes the well is 33 feet deep

61 year-old Colin spent 3 days clearing the well using a bucket on a rope to pull up the debris, and 5 feet down he discovered the old sword. He said, “It was hidden at a 45 degree angle and sort of just fell out. It looks like an old peasant’s fighting weapon because it appears to be made up of bits of metal all knocked together.”

He stopped digging the well out at 17 feet, but believes it is at least 33 feet deep.

Drake’s Leat was a 17 mile long watercourse constructed in the late 16th century to supply Plymouth with water from the River Meavy on Dartmoor and was one of the first municipal water supplies in the country. The scheme was promoted by Sir Francis Drake, who was Mayor of Plymouth at the time.

Colin has turned the well into a feature by putting in lighting and installing a trap-door over it. He said, “I love the well and think it’s fascinating. I’d love to find out who was here before us. I’ve got a piece of Plymouth’s history in my front room.”

Colin’s wife, Vanessa, is less impressed. She said, “I hate the well. But I suppose it is quite a feature. When we come to sell the house I just hope it’s not a white elephant in the room!”

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GH85Carrera 09-27-2021 11:41 AM

Brittan has such long amazing history. To know the Roman's invaded in the year 43. A two digit year is just mind boggling to us Americans.

There is a fun show called Time Team on Amazon that is interesting. The series dig all over England with real archeology standards. Many times they are examining a house that has current occupants and find Roman ruins as a wall or graves in the back yard.

Capt, I just love your old house and the fantastic work you and your wife have do to it. One of the oldest buildings around here is from 1892. Very few building are older than that in Oklahoma.

My house was built in 1995 so it is a touch newer. ;)

masraum 09-27-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 11468858)
Brittan has such long amazing history. To know the Roman's invaded in the year 43. A two digit year is just mind boggling to us Americans.

There is a fun show called Time Team on Amazon that is interesting. The series dig all over England with real archeology standards. Many times they are examining a house that has current occupants and find Roman ruins as a wall or graves in the back yard.

Thanks, I'll have to check that out!

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Capt, I just love your old house and the fantastic work you and your wife have do to it. One of the oldest buildings around here is from 1892. Very few building are older than that in Oklahoma.

My house was built in 1995 so it is a touch newer. ;)
Right, my house was built in 1920 or 1924. Most of the stuff around here is made from wood, so you're probably not terribly likely (even if we had the history) to find many 200-300 year old houses, between bugs, weather, etc...

I would say more about how impressed and impressive Capt and Mrs Capt and their home and the work that they've done is, but over the last 3 years, much more eloquent folks than me have pretty much said it all.

If this were a book written by the Capt and full of photos, I'd buy it.

I think Jack O and his 12 gauge garage are pretty darn impressive, but this is even more so, to me which is saying something!

Captain Ahab Jr 09-27-2021 01:37 PM

Steve, really pleased you've enjoyed the updates, don't worry this project is a long way off from being finished, comparing our project to Jack's 12 Gauge Garage is one hell of a compliment, thank you so much!

Glen, I have a t-shirt I still wear as old as your house :D Another vote for the Time Team series, it's a great series if you enjoy history

Our house was quite rundown when we bought it back in 1999, hadn't been lived in for a couple of years, in desperate need of fixing up

We had no vision back then of what we wanted to do with it as it was bit over whelming that we actually owned our first home.

Not sure if I mentioned this but after one viewing and a quick inspection with a local builder just to check we weren't buying something that needed knocking down we bought it at an auction in the back room of a local pub. Most expensive evening out we've ever had out, by far ;)

This is a picture from the sales literature.....with the original front door position

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Racerbvd 09-27-2021 03:22 PM

When I was there in the 80s, racing BMX, actually seeing the history was great, I have always been into history, and seeing the real history in England and a great experience.

911 Rod 09-28-2021 07:01 AM

One of the cool things I saw in England when I was there 40 years ago was how low the doors were going into the old pubs. (and I visited many) People were much shorter 500 years ago!

astrochex 09-28-2021 07:55 AM

Funny pub story Captain. Buy home, then drink? Vice-versa could be dangerous. ;)

Captain Ahab Jr 10-16-2021 07:53 AM

Yearly chimney cleaning time, after the crows nested again :eek:

Must get around to putting some steel mesh as it's a proper Victorian child's job :D

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group911@aol.co 10-16-2021 07:58 AM

Wow. Better get a proper Victorian kid quickly.
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Originally Posted by Captain Ahab Jr (Post 11487682)
Yearly chimney cleaning time, after the crows nested again :eek:

Must get around to putting some steel mesh as it's a proper Victorian child's job :D

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Sooner or later 10-16-2021 07:59 AM

That much crap was in the chimney?

astrochex 10-16-2021 08:05 AM

I want know how he got that crap out.

Captain Ahab Jr 10-16-2021 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by astrochex (Post 11487693)
I want know how he got that crap out.

Blanket across the chimney, with Mrs Ahab making sure nothing dirty escapes from the chimney ie me ;)

I removed a couple of sheets of steel either side of the canopy, just out of sight above the oak beam which give me enough room to poke my head and shoulders up into the chimney opening

Chimney void is as wide as the fireplace but tapers up to a ft square at the top

Then I stood on stool, all alone in the dark, and raked, raked again,rake some more until I pulled all the crap down on top of me :(

It burns well, burning through it now in between typing this live update :D

Scott Douglas 10-16-2021 08:49 AM

I take it you didn't think the chimney could take burning all that stuff 'in situ'?

Captain Ahab Jr 10-16-2021 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 11487737)
I take it you didn't think the chimney could take burning all that stuff 'in situ'?

Scott, thought never crossed my mind, this inferno is just a few large handfuls, it's tinder dry so makes a quite a roar

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While enjoying a cosy, winters fire a few years ago, the roar coming from the fire place didn't match the size of fire :confused: Had a look up the chimney which can best be described 'staring up the wrong end of a fighter jet' :eek:

We were lucky, the nest was nowhere near the size we've pulled out to today, Mrs Ahab and I put the fire out before the fire brigade arrived, no harm done, lesson learnt, we don't have any fires until the chimney has been cleaned out

oldE 10-16-2021 12:43 PM

Geez! I don't think I'll ever complain about stupid starlings dropping down our chimney into the stove ever again. When I want to clean out our chimney, I just have to shove a nylon brush down the stainless steel liner from the roof of our split level. I didn't realize I had it so good. Glad I didn't offer to clean yours. :D

Best
Les

mjohnson 10-16-2021 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 11469621)
One of the cool things I saw in England when I was there 40 years ago was how low the doors were going into the old pubs. (and I visited many) People were much shorter 500 years ago!

The Pineapple, near the Atomic Weapons Establishment west of Reading is allegedly in the domesday book - and has a sign stating "duck or grouse" at the door. I'm 5'8" and my hair brushes the beams overhead while I wait for a pint. Charming place, even if they seem hard to keep open over the 20 or so years I've visited.

I loved that things just go on over there. In Oxford, on some unmemorable street, was one of those blue "Some guy lived here" plaques. In this case it was Sir Edmund Halley, there was an empty keg and two ratty bikes leaned up on the wall. Just a normal college flop in other words...

Captain Ahab Jr 10-18-2021 03:29 PM

I've been busy but before I post up some progress here are a couple of more interesting things that have happened in front of my man cave build

First up was a classic car rally, an event run by HERO (Historic Endurance Rallying Organisation) on open public roads within the speed limits so unfortunately no slowly sideways around the corners, https://heroevents.eu/

Around 100 classic cars drove by, here is a tastier, thought I'd add an international flavour with cars from a few different countries

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Then a couple of weekends later an international sports event, a first for our sleepy village, the Tour of Britain, https://www.womenstour.co.uk/stages/ which was a round of the UCI Women's World Tour cycling. Looking at the locations of all the rounds it only covers Europe, guessing it must be like your baseball World Series :confused: ;)

It was stage 1 with a 91mile/147km day of riding, the worlds top 100 women cyclists didn't ride through once but twice

The build up was just as exciting as the peloton, with dozens and dozens of police and course control motorbikes zooming through checking the route and a TV helicopter too

Then the peloton whizzed through, 1st time through 2 cyclists had sprinted well ahead of the main pack

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On the 2nd time through the pack had swallowed the leaders up

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Followed by scores and scores of support cars with roof racks packed with spare bikes

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porsche tech 10-18-2021 03:38 PM

Little did you know you were on such a busy street! Very cool!

astrochex 10-18-2021 03:54 PM

Cool stuff. Too bad there is no audio with images.

oldE 10-18-2021 04:00 PM

The old east end was jumping!

Now back to work!

Best
Les

Captain Ahab Jr 10-22-2021 03:18 PM

Some progress to bring everything up to date....

Layout of all the 1st floor internal stud walling is done, that's a master bedroom, en suite and family bathroom and hallway

This is the wall between the garage and master bedroom, it's actually 2 separate stud walls. Bedroom side is 2" x 3" and garage side is 2" x 4" with a 1" gap between the two stud walls.

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My logic is I want to insulate the hell out this build so each wall will have 3" PIR insulation boards (= 5" rockwool insulation) but need to minimise noise transmission from the garage to the bedroom so I can enjoy productive late nights in my man cave

Also to future proof when we eventually sell, I've added some short vertical studs to support floor joists across the high side of the garage so a raised floor extra bedroom can be easily built ie just add a floor to increase the value when we eventually sell while still allowing headroom for a 2 post vehicle lift for the next petrol head owner

This is the bedroom side of the same wall, for a house with low ceilings everywhere this room will be a complete contrast to the rest of the house.

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This is the other end of the faulted master bedroom ceiling. Hopefully with my 'old fakery' skills it will be in total keeping too. Nothing goes to waste on this build, horizontal beam is a 1" thick left over slice from the old oak beam used on the shed opening

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With the 2ft thick external walls internal space is at a premium so it took quite a bit of jiggery pokery and measuring to get the most out the space. Love this part of the project, as the layout firmed up, we made a few changes and improvements to the architects design

View down the front hallway looking towards the garage, door opening will be the door for the extra bedroom we'll add when we come to sell, until then it will be a door to a clothes wardrobe that will overhang the garage

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Stud walls everywhere and more double studs walls too but I'll explain why in later update

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One improvement was to move the vertical hot water tank from the bathroom to a horizontal tank above the vaulted part of the bedroom to gain space for a shower. I'd maxed out the bedroom ceiling height so 2" short of height for the tank so I had to strip out, strengthen and lower the horizonal joists down by 6", Extra work I didn't need but it will be worth it

Biggest progress was I've done a thing and finished a room, well maybe not a habitable room but a very useful storage space above the high side of the garage. These old houses have zero room for storage so we're forever tripping over junk

As it's above the garage first job was more insulation 6" PIR boards (=10.5" rockwool) between the joists, then 7/8" chipboard flooring with 3/4" chipboard ceiling/walls so it won't get damaged easily with all the junk that will get thrown up there

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View is towards the bedroom faulted ceiling, the raised area in the far left is where the horizontal hot water cylinder will go

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Access was going to be from the garage but a ladder up to the 20ft ceiling height would have been too scary a climb. Access is now from the garage end of the hall way through a ceiling hatch and up a neat telescopic loft ladder and then a home built staircase using left over flooring/joist off cuts for the finally ascent

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Yesterday's job which I'm not proud of as it has all the build quality seen on trash TV instant make over home shows so will look like crap in a few months. To save the family and dog from getting trench foot this autumn/winter Mrs Ahab and I threw down 2 tons of hardcore and then 2 tons of decorative gravel on the driveway under the house and in front of the front porch entrance. The final 'real build quality' driveway is a job for another day as it will involve a lot more $'s and work

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In other news, I've finally got around to ordering all 15 custom made windows, my bank account has taken a beating. They should arrive middle of next month but they'll need painting so I'll drip feed the fitting as and when they're ready

Best bit of news is I've got Mrs Ahab back after finishing her 'paid' building work at our neighbors. She's busy doing a major job which is causing me a bit of stress and worry. Her work is always is excellent but it's quite a tricky structural job involving large holes on the original old part of the house. I'll post an update in the next week or so as soon as I'm confident the house won't fall down

Scott Douglas 10-23-2021 02:27 PM

Thanks for the update and pics!
Are you nailing the stud walls together or using screws?
Driveway looks great!

Captain Ahab Jr 10-23-2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Douglas (Post 11495824)
Thanks for the update and pics!
Are you nailing the stud walls together or using screws?
Driveway looks great!

Thanks Scott,

I'm an amateur so need to redo or move stuff about so it's eventually right so using screws :D

Driveway is a huge improvement, it's only temporary as I'll need to dig it up to lay all the services, rain water soakaway etc

Real driveway under the house will be smooth cobble stones/setts which Mrs Ahab wants to do, should look very special, Mrs Ahab has a very definite vision, this is as close a match as I could find

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I'd like to make a wooden template to use to give the surface some curvature as if worn by 100's of years of wagon wheel traffic but that might be one step too far on creating the 'ye old' look

Scott Douglas 10-23-2021 03:27 PM

Screws work! I got a little experience using them when I helped my brother build his mezzanine in his big shop. He kept having to go get another box of them we used so many.

Captain Ahab Jr 10-24-2021 03:04 PM

Over the years on the original part of the house I've made many small holes in the stone walls, turned window openings into doors, turned a door into a window but never made a 3.5ft wide x 7ft tall hole all the way through so this was unchartered waters for me :confused:

This new opening will connect up the original upstairs hallway (it's our bathroom at the moment) with the new build hallway

To make it that bit harder I only had access to work from the new side and not both sides. Also the wall is constructed of 2ft thick stone/mud and the opening is not in the middle of the wall but to one edge of the wall. This meant a 5ft wide overhang of wall or tons of house :eek: would need supporting before being able to fix in the structural lintels

First job was to gently remove enough external stone courses to give working access to the insides of the wall to remove all the loose stone and mud infill. That was easy as Mrs Ahab did this part of the job ;)

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Then I needed to make a few pockets right through the full thickness of the wall, without breaking through the plastered internal finish. Only one way to do this, gently, tap/wiggle each stone until it was loose enough to remove, almost like wiggling out a loose tooth. With only dry dirt holding the stone in place it wasn't too bad going

Then I cemented in 4 sections (rusty brown bits in the picture) of 3" wide x 6" tall x 1/4" thick steel C channels.

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These supported the far side of the wall after removing the stone pillars next to the through pockets I'd made. The closest side of the wall had enough support just behind the roof timber to keep that side propped up but I always worked with a hefty prop just in case

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Then Mrs Ahab and I (needed her strength) put in place a heavy 5ft long x 4" thick x 6" wide steel reinforced concrete lintel cemented in at each end. This is the first of four to cover the full thickness of the wall. I then cemented in stone above the lintel to put the structure back into the far side of the wall

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I've now relaxed a bit as nothing has moved, there are no new cracks and that corner of the house is still standing :)

Evans, Marv 10-24-2021 03:40 PM

Whew !!!!

911 Rod 10-25-2021 05:50 AM

Your work on the outside has been so stellar that I forgot there was an inside!

recycled sixtie 10-25-2021 05:51 AM

Hey Captain how are you and your wife holding up physically? I don't know how you do it. I got a hernia from loading up a few truck loads of broken concrete sidewalk. :(

Captain Ahab Jr 10-25-2021 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Evans, Marv (Post 11496771)
Whew !!!!

My thoughts exactly, kept thinking about the Miami Condo Collapse thread as I was doing the work :(

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Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 11497130)
Your work on the outside has been so stellar that I forgot there was an inside!

Thanks Rod, I have totally under estimate how much work the inside is, my builder let me in on a secret, 'you're only halfway there when the roof is done' I believe him!

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Originally Posted by recycled sixtie (Post 11497131)
Hey Captain how are you and your wife holding up physically? I don't know how you do it. I got a hernia from loading up a few truck loads of broken concrete sidewalk. :(

We're doing pretty good thanks, building work is brutal, different parts of me hurt depending on what I've been doing, knee's are feeling it now, they're pretty beat up and bruised

Bad news on the hernia, I've got one too, might have been from all the external stone/block work or lifting joists/timbers, First noticed it when doing up my snowboard boot so it could have been then :confused:

Had mine fixed with some mesh, easy op, good as new and seems to be holding up fine

Sooner or later 10-25-2021 12:34 PM

I have some stonework to do in my backyard. Do you rent out Mrs. Ahab?

Captain Ahab Jr 10-29-2021 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11497729)
I have some stonework to do in my backyard. Do you rent out Mrs. Ahab?

She might fix up your backyard if you were to cover her travel expenses ;)

Captain Ahab Jr 11-06-2021 02:51 PM

Another three 4" x 6" steel reinforced concrete lintels fitted and stone added above to make the the hallway opening wall all structurally sound again

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My work on this is done so handed the job over to Mrs Ahab as the next stage need her 'Stone Whisperer' gentle touch. She carefully removed all the stone making up the near and far faces of the 2ft thick wall along with all the rubble mud fill in the middle

Ending up with another large pile of stone and equally large pile of rubble. Just when we thought we'd seen an end to building mountains

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Now we have a really big slightly unfinished hole, only plaster and ceramic tiles are holding up the wall above the bathtub (white bit in the LH corner) so we need to be careful no one slips in the shower and falls out of the bathroom into the new build :eek:

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As Mrs Ahab is doing the stone work and I've saved some great looking pieces of stone, oak and a large flagstone I've got high hopes the hallway opening is going to be quite an impressive feature when done

At the other end of the 1st floor, the tall half of the master bedroom now looks like a room :cool: I'm enjoying plaster boarding, quite easy as it just some measuring, a bit of easy cutting and lots of screwing. Not much work to create a big visual difference

Ceiling boards between the joists are 3/8" or 9.5mm thick so nice and light to lift, wall boards are 1/2" or 12.5mm thick, a bit heavier at 50lbs or 25kgs a sheet but easily manageable for lifting

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Other end of the high ceiling, had to lie down on the floor for this arty shot, doesn't look too bad considering it's all 'ye olde fakery' using oak left overs from the drive through ceiling and shed opening

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Other side of the above wall, this is the very top room, need to build another insulated stud wall which will hide the soil pipe vent pipe.

I know a fully insulated internal wall doesn't make sense but it's part of a 'crazy idea' parallel project I'm trying to incorporate into the build in a 'while in your in there' kind of way :confused:

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1636238175.jpg

Lastly, I've got two humongous slices of oak I'm itching to use which I think might be my next mini project while Mrs Ahab is busy working on the hallway knock through

Evans, Marv 11-06-2021 03:19 PM

With all that rock work, it occurred to me Mrs. Ahab doesn't need any other work out/exercise. In fact I don't think it would be a good idea for anybody to get into a major disagreement with her.

Skillet83 11-06-2021 03:27 PM

Just amazing!


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