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Slanski62 07-11-2018 11:09 AM

Any audiophiles out there?
 
I’ve got too many expensive hobbies. Porsches are one and home audio is another. Maybe I’m not alone.

I have for sale a pair of Cary Audio SA-500.1 amps. They have been updated and checked out by Cary Audio and are sitting, unused, waiting for a new owner. They go for $10K new. I’ll sell them for $4500 net to me. Or, if you have some choice parts to trade, let’s talk. Thanks.

Steve

Tippy 07-11-2018 11:14 AM

You're a real audiophile...........dang! Nice stuff.

prez! 07-11-2018 11:20 AM

Try US Audio Mart or Audiogon

356RS 07-11-2018 12:04 PM

I'll trade you for a rebuilt Ampex ATR 102. 1/2" 2 track head with an extra 1/4" half track head stack assembly.

Don Ro 07-11-2018 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prez! (Post 10103756)
Try US Audio Mart or Audiogon

I get US Audio Mart in my email frequently.
Bought my second Carver Sunfire Load Invariant amp through them.
Tons of high end goodies.
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http://www.usaudiomart.com/

scottmandue 07-11-2018 12:18 PM

I have a Luxman receiver, a record player, and a pair of Altec A7's in my garage that don't get enough play time.

Alas I have no room for any real HIFI, have to fight with my wife just to keep my mid-range home theater system going.

tabs 07-11-2018 12:24 PM

It is like Smart Phones or Golf clubs you will never catch up to the latest and greatest. It is a fools errand to try, which is checking account depleting. Best just to pick a spot and say this is good enough to play my 6 Donnie and Marie albums on.

Don Ro 07-11-2018 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottmandue (Post 10103837)
I have a Luxman receiver, a record player, and a pair of Altec A7's in my garage that don't get enough play time.

Alas I have no room for any real HIFI, have to fight with my wife just to keep my mid-range home theater system going.

Oh? What condition? Want to sell? Got pics?
Just thinking...that's all.

pwd72s 07-11-2018 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 10103850)
It is like Smart Phones or Golf clubs you will never catch up to the latest and greatest. It is a fools errand to try, which is checking account depleting. Best just to pick a spot and say this is good enough to play my 6 Donnie and Marie albums on.

Bingo!

Slanski62 07-11-2018 12:33 PM

Thanks for the suggestions folks. I’m really looking to sell them but if I can’t, Porsche parts is what I’d trade for.

Steve

Don Ro 07-11-2018 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 10103850)
It is like Smart Phones or Golf clubs you will never catch up to the latest and greatest. It is a fools errand to try, which is checking account depleting. Best just to pick a spot and say this is good enough to play my 6 Donnie and Marie albums on.

Once you hear quick power and quick reproduction units that can keep up with transients, then that might be a in good "spot".
I like clarity and accuracy that's above and beyond something that sounds like ice bouncing in a hot skillet.
This system I have now will reproduce the sound of saliva on the lips of an acapella singer.
Listening to a string instrument, I can hear and feel the timbre of the wood box.
I'm happy. SmileWavy

dan79brooklyn 07-12-2018 02:58 AM

I ordered a pair of $40 earbud type headphones. I received a different pair than the ones I ordered. Turns out the set a got are $400. I decided to keep them ( wouldn’t you ) they sound fantastic. Now I’m spoiled.

jcommin 07-12-2018 03:17 AM

I have a MAC 1900 receiver mated to a Thorens TD115 turntable. I had then since the late 70's. They still stand up -

Shaun @ Tru6 07-12-2018 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slanski62 (Post 10103745)
I’ve got too many expensive hobbies. Porsches are one and home audio is another. Maybe I’m not alone.

I have for sale a pair of Cary Audio SA-500.1 amps. They have been updated and checked out by Cary Audio and are sitting, unused, waiting for a new owner. They go for $10K new. I’ll sell them for $4500 net to me. Or, if you have some choice parts to trade, let’s talk. Thanks.

Steve

Steve, what's your opinion on the quality of high end audio today vs. say 10 or even 20 years ago, which is odd to say, the 90s. What would one be looking for on Craig's List to put together an older high end system for pennies on today's dollar?

I have a Hafler power amp, Rotel preamp and Rotel tuner and a pair of midrange B&W speakers. Very happy with all of it for well under $1K but I always wonder what I should swap out to get to the next level.

astrochex 07-12-2018 03:29 AM

GLWS Slanski62.

As far as going down the rabbit hole of home audio, as long as you're happy with your setup why change it?

Am I an audiophile if I purchased a headphone hybrid amp PC board that doubles as a coaster (if you choose not to build it)?

GH85Carrera 07-12-2018 03:52 AM

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At Porsche Parade, KEF is a vendor and sponsor. They set up a room for sound demo, and free beer. It does sound great, but rather pricy.

cairns 07-12-2018 04:21 AM

You don't need the latest and greatest. My old Mcintosh works just fine.

Would love to have some Wilsons though.....

kach22i 07-12-2018 05:32 AM

Playing my stereo was my main recreation for decades.

Now exercising is, and when I sit around it's to smoke a cigar.

About once every two months I really get into playing music, but it's not the same with my tube amps in need of repair. Solid state only gets me to about second base, no home-run.

Nice amps, I've always thought that the same ears that produced good tube gear also produced some forgiving and musical solid state gear.

aschen 07-12-2018 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10104600)
Steve, what's your opinion on the quality of high end audio today vs. say 10 or even 20 years ago, which is odd to say, the 90s. What would one be looking for on Craig's List to put together an older high end system for pennies on today's dollar?

I have a Hafler power amp, Rotel preamp and Rotel tuner and a pair of midrange B&W speakers. Very happy with all of it for well under $1K but I always wonder what I should swap out to get to the next level.

I've been an audio enthusiast / hifi guy for over 2/3rds of my life. The term audiophile has taken a bit of a sour connotation in the last several years, so its not my favorite term.

Anyways, depending on your definition of high end: used/Heavily depreciated is the only sensible way to buy. Class AB amps, turntables, preamps, and to a large degree speakers havent improved much in the last few decades. Speakers probably have at the very high end due to improvement in computer modeling and test equipment. Also DSP controlled active speakers are really the state of the art but arnt heavily adopted for home use.

I have 15 year old dynaudio confidence speakers, 22 year old audio research tube preamp, a new bryston amp but it replaced a 12 year old one only to get more power, etc. I bought all this stuff at less than half of MSRP which puts you closer to 1/4 of new MSRP for comparable items since prices inflation. This stuff is still pretty close to state of the art.

One caveat with 20+ year old components is that you are at the point where Caps and sometimes potentiometers can fail and/or get noisy. In most cases these items with go 30+ years, but its not uncommon to have to recap power amps in this range. This can be expensive for big daddy hi current biased amps. I also advocate for new or at least more modern digital equipment.

Really the best bang for buck would be to leave your components alone (if functioning correctly and of sufficient power) and buy the best/baddest/your most preferred speakers from the discussed era.

Speakers, speaker placement, room acoustics and optimization are by far and away the most important elements.

sand_man 07-12-2018 07:44 AM

Love the Carys and have owned their gear over the years. Not sure if still the case, but Cary Audio used to be just down the street in Cary NC…a small community/township, outside of Raleigh.
Now in recovery, as a former “audiophile”, I unfortunately fell down that slippery slope starting from the summit! If it was “high-end” I’ve likely owned it. Used to buy, sell, and trade gear via Audiogon and with other, local audiophiles. I’ve thinned the heard and have since settled on two systems that have always served me well…the stuff I always seemed to keep as my “reference”: one all tube, the other all solid state. It’s fun to mix and match components. I don’t spend nearly as much time with it as I used to. But it is still fun to fire this stuff up, most people are blown away by the music a good two-channel system can produce. At some point I’m likely to thin this even further with an integrated amp from Jeff Rowland and call it done.

Tubes
Amp: Conrad-Johnson Premier 11A stereo amp. I roll between KT88, 6550C, and KT90 output tubes
Preamp: Conrad-Johnson PV10AL with Conrad phono stage

Solid State
Amps: Jeff Rowland Design Group Model 6 mono-blocks
Preamp: Jeff Rowland Design Group Synergy IIi (currently at the factory having a refresh)
Preamp: Muse Model 3 with external power supply (this is a backup that I keep)

CD: Electrocompaniet EMC1 (out of commission, I think it got damaged during my last move. This will eventually go back to the factory for repair and a refresh.)

Vinyl: Technics SL1210 MK2 that I’ve had since the early 90s. A few years ago, I sold my beloved SOTA Cosmos to fund some other hobbies, likely Porsche related. The Technics is far from an audiophile deck, but I’ve had it since new and have it well setup. I love its beautiful bullet proof design…a real workhorse. I had two, one got stolen, so this one I’ve always just kept.

Speakers: Harbeth 7ES3

Cables: a whole other story

Don Ro 07-12-2018 08:01 AM

"Cables: a whole other story "
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My previous system - to the one I now have - was a pair of Apogee Divas, the pre-amp and tuner (FM) from my AR Receiver, and two Lazarus power amps that would pass as welding rigs. The Divas wanted amperes.
An AR turntable, the arm of which was my own build with my own anti-skating device.
.
Cables.........
I got so sucked into the awesome sound of the Divas to the point where I bought silver cables from Sweden for $15/ft (20 years ago price).
Definitively "sucked in".

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APOGEES FOR SALE - TRUE SOUND WORKS AUDIO, INC.

Sooner or later 07-12-2018 08:44 AM

Had a pair of bridged Hafler amps and his pre amp. They were a kit.I had a assembly party and finished them up in a 20 hour time frame. Worked perfectly for years. Have em boxed up in the attic.

Power went to two pair of Large Advent loudspeakers that were stacked.

Teac reel to reel and cassette. Kenwood turntable with Grado cartridge.

Sob rocked

Don Ro 07-12-2018 09:01 AM

My first "system" was two Dyna Stereo 70 tube amps (kits...$90 each) in mono, the pre from an AR Receiver, two AR 2ax's, and an AR turntable...Shure cartridge.
I worked swing shift for the gov't and a few of us would gather at my house at midnight, turn out all the lights and listen to music as loud as we wanted.
Those AR speakers would suck those St. 70's down so much that we'd watch the output tubes pulse and gasp.
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Can this be real? $725 now for the St. 70 kit? :eek:
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https://www.dynakitparts.com/shop/st-70-kit-120-vac/

scottmandue 07-12-2018 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Ro (Post 10104909)
My first "system" was two Dyna Stereo 70 tube amps (kits...$90 each) in mono, the pre from an AR Receiver, two AR 2ax's, and an AR turntable...Shure cartridge.
I worked swing shift for the gov't and a few of us would gather at my house at midnight, turn out all the lights and listen to music as loud as we wanted.
Those AR speakers would suck those St. 70's down so much that we'd watch the output tubes pulse and gasp.
.
Can this be real? $725 now for the St. 70 kit? :eek:
.
https://www.dynakitparts.com/shop/st-70-kit-120-vac/

I would be so happy to have a pair of Dyna 70's!
RE:Altec A7's wife wants them gone but me... not so much (a story as old as the ages).
I'll PM ya Don to keep in touch in case wifey ever wins the battle ;)

My dream amps would be a pair Carvin Silver 7's

Don Ro 07-12-2018 09:15 AM

"I'll PM ya Don to keep in touch in case wifey ever wins the battle ;)"
~~~~~~~~~~~
Do.

SmileWavy

aschen 07-12-2018 09:24 AM

How 'bout some system selfies gents?

Here's mine, a very crappy pic and messy wiring

http://i64.tinypic.com/2myakgl.jpg

Ayles 07-12-2018 09:32 AM

Nice audio research unit!

My setup, purely analog.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531416734.jpg

aschen 07-12-2018 09:33 AM

ARC and VPI as well, very nice

KFC911 07-12-2018 10:14 AM

I'll offer up my vintage Polk SDA 1.2s and the $700 bi-wire cables to anyone interested...need 1k watts into each to do 'em justice....and they freakin' rock ;). I'm keeping two smaller pairs though....I've still got one Carver 4.0t that I haven't fried (yet)...my house-rockin' daze are over...but not forgotten :)

My system was/is SS...but Carver fans know the 4.0t is a damn good SS version of the Carver Silver 7 amps.

I miss my "wall of sound"... but not enough to replace or fix the "blown up" Carvers in my closet :(.

Sorry for the hijack...

Don Ro 07-12-2018 10:38 AM

"Sorry for the hijack..."
~~~~~~~~`
Tis OK. You're among friends here. :)

KFC911 07-12-2018 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Ro (Post 10105063)
"Sorry for the hijack..."
~~~~~~~~`
Tis OK. You're among friends here. :)

Thanks Don!

....and before anyone thinks I'm rich or $tupid....I did NOT pay $700 for cables....a fraction of that ;)

sand_man 07-12-2018 10:54 AM

The stuff was still expensive, but I seldom bought anything new. Some great deals on the second hand market. And a lot of the stuff is so well built!

Oracle 07-12-2018 11:23 AM

I used to be years ago.. now living on a budget I love whatever comes my way.

Don Ro 07-12-2018 11:26 AM

Is all I've got at this time. This looks messy...presently setting up Teak shelving to hold and organize components.
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A modest system...not interested in going any further. This is my "spot". :)
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- Martin Logan Theos ESL Bi-wire speakers.
- HSU 10" sub
- Two Carver Sunfire Load Invariant amps in mono. Bought on the used market. A horsepower per side. :)
- Marantz Mod. 2325 receiver. Bought on the used market. Love it. 51 lbs. Ugh!
- Marantz Mod. TT-15SW1 turntable
Never thought I'd pay $1,600 for a turntable/cartridge, but I've rediscovered vinyl.
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- Harbor Freight work bench. :)
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BTW, speaking of vinyl...an excellent LP for awesome dynamics is Ry Cooder's digital "Bop Til You Drop" album.
My Martin Logan ESL's just sparkle...and with wonderful stage from this album.
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https://www.discogs.com/Ry-Cooder-Bop-Till-You-Drop/release/861775
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YouTube sounds don't get close...but just an idea.
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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/FEDd_QSwO9o" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mxuG7txeoy4" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531423289.jpg
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531423369.jpg
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531423417.jpg
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531423462.jpg

Shaun @ Tru6 07-12-2018 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aschen (Post 10104743)
I've been an audio enthusiast / hifi guy for over 2/3rds of my life. The term audiophile has taken a bit of a sour connotation in the last several years, so its not my favorite term.

Anyways, depending on your definition of high end: used/Heavily depreciated is the only sensible way to buy. Class AB amps, turntables, preamps, and to a large degree speakers havent improved much in the last few decades. Speakers probably have at the very high end due to improvement in computer modeling and test equipment. Also DSP controlled active speakers are really the state of the art but arnt heavily adopted for home use.

I have 15 year old dynaudio confidence speakers, 22 year old audio research tube preamp, a new bryston amp but it replaced a 12 year old one only to get more power, etc. I bought all this stuff at less than half of MSRP which puts you closer to 1/4 of new MSRP for comparable items since prices inflation. This stuff is still pretty close to state of the art.

One caveat with 20+ year old components is that you are at the point where Caps and sometimes potentiometers can fail and/or get noisy. In most cases these items with go 30+ years, but its not uncommon to have to recap power amps in this range. This can be expensive for big daddy hi current biased amps. I also advocate for new or at least more modern digital equipment.

Really the best bang for buck would be to leave your components alone (if functioning correctly and of sufficient power) and buy the best/baddest/your most preferred speakers from the discussed era.

Speakers, speaker placement, room acoustics and optimization are by far and away the most important elements.



Thanks for the confirmation and direction. What are some vintage speakers you would recommend? My preference is for clean and bright. Paid just $400 for the virtually new CM4s and really like them over some older Advents which were very warm.

I would like another P230 but the one I have is fine for the most part now.

Don Ro 07-12-2018 12:13 PM

KC911 started it. :)
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I'm on a Ry Cooder kick today. One of my all time favs. Dig it!!!
.
A YouTube comment:
solara clarke 9 months ago
"DId you see bomber JOE (Joe Boma???????)try to play this song?.....what a joke..he just tried to show off how fast he could play...this song is played with soul.........And Ry Cooder has his share.......and delivers it through his playing.....unlike other would be slide players......Amen..."
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<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mjq-xe_sHD0" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

aschen 07-12-2018 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10105110)
Thanks for the confirmation and direction. What are some vintage speakers you would recommend? My preference is for clean and bright. Paid just $400 for the virtually new CM4s and really like them over some older Advents which were very warm.

I would like another P230 but the one I have is fine for the most part now.

what is your approximate budget? How loud do you like to listen and how far is the listening position from the speakers? Are you a "bass head"? Are you willing to pay extra for finely finished furniture grade cabinets or is a more utilitarian look acceptable?


Sorry, need a bit of info before offering what will be probably be a very highly biased opinion

My favorite speaker mft is Dynaudio, but they may be a bit laid back for you. You can get a 20ish year old set of PSB stratus gold or silver speakers for ~600 that are a bit more on the resolving side and would be a pretty big upgrade in my opinion. If you want really giant dynamic range I wouldent completely discount older Klipsch Heritage models (Quartet, Chorus, Forte), usually available in the 700-1000 range. Lots of good options from KEF as well. Dunlavy speakers from that era are big and ugly but fantastic. The Older Thiels might fit your tastes quite well also. For absolute clarity I think the Revel Ultima Salon 2s are the champs for speakers I have heard. They are also 20k new and 9k used. I am not sure if that clarity is in thier lower lines, but probably so. I think used Revel performa's can be had in the 1500 ish range from the last series. Should be fantastic speakers.

Anyways so many options, it is hard to narrow things down without some more constraints. My Buddy had similar medium range B&W CDM floorstanders. He upgraded to circa 2002 Dynaudio Contours and has been extremely satisfied with the change.

pwd72s 07-13-2018 08:42 AM

Thinking I might give these folks a call...just as soon as I win Powerball.

https://www.needledoctor.com/

scottmandue 07-13-2018 09:14 AM

Note to self, need to get my old Marantz rebuilt! Any one know a good shop local to L.A. that refurbishes classic old recievers?

Don, what is the model on turntable please?

Don Ro 07-13-2018 09:25 AM

"Don, what is the model on turntable please?"
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- Marantz Mod. TT-15SW1 turntable
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From Music Direct...came with a high end cartridge ...the mod. # I don't recall.
I recall that I had a choice of two cartridges and I don't recall which one I chose.
Free shipping - $1,499 - just looked at invoice. 9/09/15.
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www.musicdirect.com
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https://www.musicdirect.com/turntables/marantz-tt-15-acrylic-turntable


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