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ckissick 07-14-2018 03:49 PM

Another example of 911S insanity
 
This:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/d/1972-porsche-911s-stockc/6638997659.html

Or this:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/d/1969-porsche-912/6642457177.html

In other words, the two extra cylinders are going for $112,500 apiece. :eek:

It's literally laughable.

Ayles 07-14-2018 03:51 PM

That dealership is something else, did a little window shopping a couple weeks ago. They have amazing stuff.

pwd72s 07-14-2018 03:56 PM

Having bought both a '69 912 (new) and a '72S (2 years used), I can assure you, neither of these cars is worth that much as drivers.

But, if you need one for status reasons, by all means, go ahead.

ckissick 07-14-2018 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ayles (Post 10107530)
That dealership is something else, did a little window shopping a couple weeks ago. They have amazing stuff.

They have sold 2 cars for me. A 1959 VW convertible, 100-point car. I got $16K for it in 1994, a pretty good price back then. It was red with a tan canvas top. I miss that car.

They also sold a 1970 911E in 2012 for $20K. It had a salvage title and a '78 motor. But a pretty nice car, otherwise. I sold it at the very bottom of the market. Oops.

Cars Dawydiak does have amazing cars. And Walter is a good guy. I guess it's safe to say he gets top dollar. He has clients from all over the world.

masraum 07-14-2018 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckissick (Post 10107529)
This:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/d/1972-porsche-911s-stockc/6638997659.html

Or this:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/d/1969-porsche-912/6642457177.html

In other words, the two extra cylinders are going for $112,500 apiece. :eek:

It's literally laughable.

Wow, WTF?!? $260k? Crazy.

I'm having a hard time with some of the marketing statements.

So, is the stuff new, or rebuilt. If it's new, how do the numbers match? Wait, so it was repainted, but the paint is still mostly original?
Quote:

New arrival. Number-matching 911 S in excellent condition. Bought in Europe from the German restoration company Early 911s. New engine, transmission, and axles. The interior is original, Exterior repainted before restoration, but still mostly original.
Quote:

2.4 Liter 210hp
Huh?

Is it just me, or does this come off as PT Barnum marketing?

tabs 07-14-2018 05:27 PM

It is the right kind of money for an S long hood. Iconic car, low production, high attrifion rate, vintage. Add it up.

LEAKYSEALS951 07-14-2018 05:33 PM

I had a friend with a 73S. As I recall, it was about 190 hp and was pretty fast, well, until, I hung out with some guys with turbos, and then the 73S wasn't so fast.

Either way, all were faster than my 130 hp 2.0 engine, but not a quarter of a million dollars faster. I drove them all a lot back in the day.

1/4 million. That's toyota camry money right there.

masraum 07-14-2018 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabs (Post 10107608)
It is the right kind of money for an S long hood. Iconic car, low production, high attrifion rate, vintage. Add it up.

No, it's ridiculous bubble money.
Quote:

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951 (Post 10107613)
I had a friend with a 73S. As I recall, it was about 190 hp and was pretty fast, well, until, I hung out with some guys with turbos, and then the 73S wasn't so fast.

Either way, all were faster than my 130 hp 2.0 engine, but not a quarter of a million dollars faster. I drove them all a lot back in the day.

1/4 million. That's toyota camry money right there.

Exactly. For $260k, it would have to be perfect, from the factory, all original unicorn. That's just insane.

Yorkie 07-14-2018 07:07 PM

It’s stupid money but it’s hedge fund guy money. You can get the same “experience” for way less but the that owner needs to get past that numbers matching thing. I was a long time owner of a ‘70s but it was fitted with a 2.4S motor. Awesome driver experience but on the open market a non- matching number S is toxic. Frankly, there are better driving experiences for much less but if you are a rich dude it makes sense when you are showing off your collection while cupping a glass of Opus

sc_rufctr 07-14-2018 07:15 PM

I saw this yesterday. It's an OK car, not nice just OK.

Local dealership... "1985 Porsche 911 Carrera Turbo Body"

Price: $185,000 AU :eek:
KM: 213,219 (132,488 miles)

(This car would have been around 45k 10 years ago!)

Porsche 911 Carrera Turbo Body - Richmonds - Classic and Prestige Cars - Storage and Sales - Adelaide, Australia

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1531624405.jpg

speeder 07-14-2018 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 10107621)
No, it's ridiculous bubble money.


Exactly. For $260k, it would have to be perfect, from the factory, all original unicorn. That's just insane.

It’s actually not bubble money. Prices have been at this level for several years now. I’ve seen them for more. It looks like a really nice car, at least. I’ve seen second and third rate cars for $150k or more.

On one hand, it’s crazy money compared to what they used to be. OTOH, compared to a $3M V-12 Ferrari, it’s a door prize. :)

tabs 07-14-2018 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 10107743)
It’s actually not bubble money. Prices have been at this level for several years now. I’ve seen than for more. It looks like a really nice car, at least. I’ve seen second and third rate cars for $150k or more.

On one hand, it’s crazy money compared to what they used to be. OTOH, compared to a $3M V-12 Ferrari, it’s a door prize. :)

Exactly....

It is not all about performance...he11 even a Toyota is faster than an early S. It is the experience of driving an iconic Porsche. They are becoming unobtanium

ckissick 07-14-2018 11:08 PM

It's all about image and status. A long hood 911S is better than a 912, but $225,000 better? Not really. After all, a 912 handles better. In real terms, a 911S is only a little better than a 912, as was reflected in the prices when they were new.

pwd72s 07-14-2018 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ckissick (Post 10107779)
It's all about image and status.

Gee, do you think?

porsche tech 07-15-2018 03:26 AM

Equipped as follows: Halogen Driving/Fog Lights 90 Liter Fuel Tank w/ Spare Tire Factory AM/FM Radio w/ Antenna w/ Loudspeakers Koni Shock Absorbers (Instead of Boge) Sport Bucket Seats w/ 5-point Harness 2+2 Rear Folding Seat Exterior Oil Fill 4-Wheel Disc Brakes Fuchs 15" Alloy Wheels Pirelli 195/65-R15 Tires Numbers Matching 4-speed Manual Transaxle Numbers Matching 2.4 Liter 210hp 6-cylinder Boxer Engine Bosch Mechanical Fuel Injection Power Sunroof Rear Wiper Wheel Well Moldings Light Yellow Exterior Paint Porsche Certificate of Authenticity


'72S had a 4 speed?

Dueller 07-15-2018 05:30 AM

[QUOTE=pwd72s;10107533]Having bought both a '69 912 (new) and a '72S (2 years used), I can assure you, neither of these cars is worth that much as drivers.

But, if you need one for status reasons, by all means, go ahead.]

Well. said. My sentiments exactly.

cairns 07-15-2018 05:32 AM

Ridiculously overpriced and of dubious origin. It's not bubble money it's super I'm a real d'fk bubble money.

Here's a far more reasonable example- found in three minutes. It's an example of Porsche price insanity I wouldn't pay for. But at least it's not I'm a real d'fk bubble money.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/porsche/911s/1902032.html

widgeon13 07-15-2018 05:39 AM

The question is, "will those cars ever sell"?

Or is it just folks who want to say I listed my Porsche for a quarter MILLION $$.

I'm not buying.

masraum 07-15-2018 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche tech (Post 10107821)
'72S had a 4 speed?

I think a 4 spd was still the primary tranny back then with the 5 spd as optional. I was also surprised when I read that and would have assumed that the “S” would have come standard with the 5, but I guess not. It’s too bad it isn’t a sportomatic. That would have been even more entertaining.

seafeye 07-15-2018 07:44 AM

From what I’ve read. 4spd was standard in Germany. 5 spd optional.
Americans got 5spd’s as standard.

I had a 1972 911T. That was sold in Germany new. 4spd. Was a great transmission. Perfect all around.


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