Another example of 911S insanity

[ckissick]

This:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/d/1972-porsche-911s-stockc/6638997659.html

Or this:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/d/1969-porsche-912/6642457177.html

In other words, the two extra cylinders are going for $112,500 apiece.

It's literally laughable.

[Ayles]

That dealership is something else, did a little window shopping a couple weeks ago. They have amazing stuff.

[pwd72s]

Having bought both a '69 912 (new) and a '72S (2 years used), I can assure you, neither of these cars is worth that much as drivers.

But, if you need one for status reasons, by all means, go ahead.

[ckissick]

Originally Posted by Ayles

That dealership is something else, did a little window shopping a couple weeks ago. They have amazing stuff.

They have sold 2 cars for me. A 1959 VW convertible, 100-point car. I got $16K for it in 1994, a pretty good price back then. It was red with a tan canvas top. I miss that car.

They also sold a 1970 911E in 2012 for $20K. It had a salvage title and a '78 motor. But a pretty nice car, otherwise. I sold it at the very bottom of the market. Oops.

Cars Dawydiak does have amazing cars. And Walter is a good guy. I guess it's safe to say he gets top dollar. He has clients from all over the world.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by ckissick

This:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/ctd/d/1972-porsche-911s-stockc/6638997659.html

Or this:

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/d/1969-porsche-912/6642457177.html

In other words, the two extra cylinders are going for $112,500 apiece.

It's literally laughable.

Wow, WTF?!? $260k? Crazy.

I'm having a hard time with some of the marketing statements.

So, is the stuff new, or rebuilt. If it's new, how do the numbers match? Wait, so it was repainted, but the paint is still mostly original?

New arrival. Number-matching 911 S in excellent condition. Bought in Europe from the German restoration company Early 911s. New engine, transmission, and axles. The interior is original, Exterior repainted before restoration, but still mostly original.

2.4 Liter 210hp

Huh?

Is it just me, or does this come off as PT Barnum marketing?

[tabs]

It is the right kind of money for an S long hood. Iconic car, low production, high attrifion rate, vintage. Add it up.

[LEAKYSEALS951]

I had a friend with a 73S. As I recall, it was about 190 hp and was pretty fast, well, until, I hung out with some guys with turbos, and then the 73S wasn't so fast.

Either way, all were faster than my 130 hp 2.0 engine, but not a quarter of a million dollars faster. I drove them all a lot back in the day.

1/4 million. That's toyota camry money right there.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by tabs

It is the right kind of money for an S long hood. Iconic car, low production, high attrifion rate, vintage. Add it up.

No, it's ridiculous bubble money.

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

I had a friend with a 73S. As I recall, it was about 190 hp and was pretty fast, well, until, I hung out with some guys with turbos, and then the 73S wasn't so fast.

Either way, all were faster than my 130 hp 2.0 engine, but not a quarter of a million dollars faster. I drove them all a lot back in the day.

1/4 million. That's toyota camry money right there.

Exactly. For $260k, it would have to be perfect, from the factory, all original unicorn. That's just insane.

[Yorkie]

It’s stupid money but it’s hedge fund guy money. You can get the same “experience” for way less but the that owner needs to get past that numbers matching thing. I was a long time owner of a ‘70s but it was fitted with a 2.4S motor. Awesome driver experience but on the open market a non- matching number S is toxic. Frankly, there are better driving experiences for much less but if you are a rich dude it makes sense when you are showing off your collection while cupping a glass of Opus

[sc_rufctr]

I saw this yesterday. It's an OK car, not nice just OK.

Local dealership... "1985 Porsche 911 Carrera Turbo Body"

Price: $185,000 AU
KM: 213,219 (132,488 miles)

(This car would have been around 45k 10 years ago!)

Porsche 911 Carrera Turbo Body - Richmonds - Classic and Prestige Cars - Storage and Sales - Adelaide, Australia

[speeder]

Originally Posted by masraum

No, it's ridiculous bubble money.


Exactly. For $260k, it would have to be perfect, from the factory, all original unicorn. That's just insane.

It’s actually not bubble money. Prices have been at this level for several years now. I’ve seen them for more. It looks like a really nice car, at least. I’ve seen second and third rate cars for $150k or more.

On one hand, it’s crazy money compared to what they used to be. OTOH, compared to a $3M V-12 Ferrari, it’s a door prize.

[tabs]

Originally Posted by speeder

It’s actually not bubble money. Prices have been at this level for several years now. I’ve seen than for more. It looks like a really nice car, at least. I’ve seen second and third rate cars for $150k or more.

On one hand, it’s crazy money compared to what they used to be. OTOH, compared to a $3M V-12 Ferrari, it’s a door prize.

Exactly....

It is not all about performance...he11 even a Toyota is faster than an early S. It is the experience of driving an iconic Porsche. They are becoming unobtanium

[ckissick]

It's all about image and status. A long hood 911S is better than a 912, but $225,000 better? Not really. After all, a 912 handles better. In real terms, a 911S is only a little better than a 912, as was reflected in the prices when they were new.

[pwd72s]

Originally Posted by ckissick

It's all about image and status.

Gee, do you think?

[porsche tech]

Equipped as follows: Halogen Driving/Fog Lights 90 Liter Fuel Tank w/ Spare Tire Factory AM/FM Radio w/ Antenna w/ Loudspeakers Koni Shock Absorbers (Instead of Boge) Sport Bucket Seats w/ 5-point Harness 2+2 Rear Folding Seat Exterior Oil Fill 4-Wheel Disc Brakes Fuchs 15" Alloy Wheels Pirelli 195/65-R15 Tires Numbers Matching 4-speed Manual Transaxle Numbers Matching 2.4 Liter 210hp 6-cylinder Boxer Engine Bosch Mechanical Fuel Injection Power Sunroof Rear Wiper Wheel Well Moldings Light Yellow Exterior Paint Porsche Certificate of Authenticity


'72S had a 4 speed?

[Dueller]

[QUOTE=pwd72s;10107533]Having bought both a '69 912 (new) and a '72S (2 years used), I can assure you, neither of these cars is worth that much as drivers.

But, if you need one for status reasons, by all means, go ahead.]

Well. said. My sentiments exactly.

[cairns]

Ridiculously overpriced and of dubious origin. It's not bubble money it's super I'm a real d'fk bubble money.

Here's a far more reasonable example- found in three minutes. It's an example of Porsche price insanity I wouldn't pay for. But at least it's not I'm a real d'fk bubble money.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/porsche/911s/1902032.html

[widgeon13]

The question is, "will those cars ever sell"?

Or is it just folks who want to say I listed my Porsche for a quarter MILLION $$.

I'm not buying.

[masraum]

Originally Posted by porsche tech

'72S had a 4 speed?

I think a 4 spd was still the primary tranny back then with the 5 spd as optional. I was also surprised when I read that and would have assumed that the “S” would have come standard with the 5, but I guess not. It’s too bad it isn’t a sportomatic. That would have been even more entertaining.

[seafeye]

From what I’ve read. 4spd was standard in Germany. 5 spd optional.
Americans got 5spd’s as standard.

I had a 1972 911T. That was sold in Germany new. 4spd. Was a great transmission. Perfect all around.