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Shaun @ Tru6 07-17-2018 10:48 AM
Recently I was talking with a manager at Paul Russell and other area high end restoration shops and everyone says that finding help is a real challenge for them. I have 2 assistants who work hard, are good, interested learners and are never on their phones. Definitely cherish them and let them know they are valued.

The hires that haven't worked out for me are mostly because they don't know how to work hard and don't value doing excellent work for it's own sake.

tabs 07-17-2018 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by rcooled (Post 10110831)
I think this is an important factor in this conversation. When I'm out & about during the week, I see lots of scruffy-looking people who seem to be just hanging out in the middle of the day and killing time. And they really don't look like the type of folks you might see working evenings/nights in retail or in restaurants either. If you're willing to just scrape by day-to-day, it's very easy to avoid working any sort of traditional job in this country.
A friend's daughter is one of these types. In her early 20s, she decided that the working world wasn't for her, so she found some dumbass loser to get her pregnant. Once the baby came along, she ditched the boyfriend, went on welfare, then signed up for every gov't giveaway program available. She's content to live in some schithole section 8 apt. and if she needs a little extra spending money, she'll do odd jobs for friends like house cleaning or washing cars...cash only. She has no ambition, no motivation, no plan for her or her child's future...it's only about whatever she needs to make it 'till tomorrow. Very sad indeed.


Pretty much the same in NorCal too. There was a large construction project going up across the street from my office a few years ago and the crews would all be arriving to work around the same time I did. Seemed to be around 95% Hispanic.


I don't think this attitude is as prevalent in the Hispanic culture as in the white middle class. I think it's one of the main reasons that the trades (at least here in CA) are mostly worked by Hispanics, as Zeke mentioned above.
If you do not think that what was said about the American mindset is true, why is it that the immigrants to America bust their azzes doing jobs that Americans won't do? Then check second or third gen immigrants and check out their mindsets after they have been inculcated into the American way of life..

legion 07-17-2018 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rcooled (Post 10110831)
I don't think this attitude is as prevalent in the Hispanic culture as in the white middle class. I think it's one of the main reasons that the trades (at least here in CA) are mostly worked by Hispanics, as Zeke mentioned above.
In the Midwest we have lots of farmer's kids in the trades. They've been putting in 12-hour days since their teens and aren't afraid to work hard. That's not to say none are lazy, but they are less common.

tabs 07-17-2018 11:15 AM
Hey man everybody deserves a Lambo....


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Originally Posted by Craig T

That really depends on where you live Tabs, and the economic demographic of your zip code. Drive Potrero Rd from Hidden Valley past lake Sherwood to Westlake Village on a weekend and you'll see a couple seven-figure collector cars out for a drive. Head east on Sunset Bl from the 405 Fwy up to the Bel Air Hotel mid-morning on Saturday. That's good for at least one Bugatti and a couple 1960's Ferraris (Newer Lambo's are like Prius's)

You're aware of the rapidly expanding wealth separation in this country. The guys paying $260K for a 72 911S have so much money that $260K or $120K makes zero difference to them.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/off-topic-discussions/1002262-another-example-911s-insanity-3.html


My Dad's gen wouldn't have gone and bought the Lambo....they would have put the dinero in the bank...so that if push came to shove they could eat. Today with unprecedented wealth well you just go out and make more...not to mention why the he11 not just live it up....YOU DESERVE IT...ohh and if you don't have the cash well you can make easy payments.

So to bring it back into the context of this Thread..the sense of entitlement works on both sides of the street. Now put that into the context of an American mindset.

I want you Boyz to think beyond the box. If you see different facets of a situation you get a clearer picture of what is going on. Then you can make better informed decisions.

dlockhart 07-17-2018 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tabs (Post 10110857)
Then check second or third gen immigrants and check out their mindsets after they have been inculcated into the American way of life..
VDH lays out the cycle.

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1990C4S 07-17-2018 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 10110530)
There is a shortage of decent workers because just about everyone who wants to work and is worth a darn already has a job.
Paying more isn't going to change that.
Supply and demand would say otherwise. Higher pay brings more people into the workforce.

And for 'individuals' or 'businesses' it's simply a money issue. You want cashiers? Pay $16 per hour, not $11.

Nationally it's different, (without migrants there would/will be a huge problem) but to each business it's simply 'pay'.

tabs 07-17-2018 11:38 AM
Now I am one who should be talking about fking entitlements? People who get something for free don't appreciate or value it, they take it for granted or don't think that it is worth very much. Given that I have been an enabler of your sense of entitlement by giving you stuff (knowledge) that I have struggled with lions in the night for decades to learn. I should make you pay for it and then you would value it.

Part of my motivation is altruistic in that I am paying back by making a contribution. Maybe somebody will benefit from what I say.

john walker's workshop 07-17-2018 11:42 AM
Easier to stand on the corner with a sign and pull in $300 to $500 a day, tax free.

tabs 07-17-2018 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dlockhart (Post 10110898)
VDH lays out the cycle.

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So to think of your posting in a positive light, you are saying that VDH is verifying the veracity of my thoughts (and elaborating on them). Interesting.

VDH only in passing mentions a "schizophrenia" as an allusion to mindset. I am way past the mechanics of the process of what is happening in society etc. Anybody that is halfway astute can come up with a narrative of the process of what is unfolding before your eyes. It is the why that gets em?

Long ago I posted a comment on the CR Board within several days VDH had written a piece that addressed that very issue using some very specific perceptions and language that I had used in my commentary...I thought I had heard that before...I did I did..I wrote it...

Now maybe that is just my own conceit at work...:)

wdfifteen 07-17-2018 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 10110530)
There is a shortage of decent workers because just about everyone who wants to work and is worth a darn already has a job.
Paying more isn't going to change that.

If we stopped subsidizing the loosers, maybe we would more people who were employable.
How is that going to work out? I don't see someone who doesn't want to work being worth a damn if they only come to work to keep from starving. Motivation is the key. To some extent, working has to be its own reward. If you'd rather not work, I'd rather not have you on my workforce.

wdfifteen 07-17-2018 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ckelly78z (Post 10110601)

I think colleges are teaching creativity more than skills,
If that is true, good for them. If you want a skill, go to trade school. If you want to learn how to think creatively, to go beyond applying your skill to someone else's creative project, then college should be the place for you.

tabs 07-17-2018 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1990C4S (Post 10110905)
Supply and demand would say otherwise. Higher pay brings more people into the workforce.

And for 'individuals' or 'businesses' it's simply a money issue. You want cashiers? Pay $16 per hour, not $11.

Nationally it's different, (without migrants there would/will be a huge problem) but to each business it's simply 'pay'.
That job isn't worth $16 an hour....you think you have a special talent or sumthin?

Tervuren 07-17-2018 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dlockhart (Post 10110898)
VDH lays out the cycle.

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Interesting video.

I am very pro-immigration, but I also want to see integration as Americans.

He highlights the problem related to not having this as an objective.

Edit, I've been watching more videos from him, he is very observant.

tabs 07-17-2018 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ckelly78z (Post 10110601)

I think colleges are teaching creativity more than skills, and giving students a false sense of a rosy future with flowing wine, and rose petals, with no manual labor, or expended effort. No real life skills are being taught in High school or college, which now, has come back to bite us.
Ideally college trains you in how to organize your thoughts and articulate them, and not so much in the informational base that you are acquiring.

tabs 07-17-2018 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10110969)
Interesting video.

I am very pro-immigration, but I also want to see integration as Americans.

He highlights the problem related to not having this as an objective.
You mean become fat dum and lazy entitled Americans?

tabs 07-17-2018 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by john walker's workshop (Post 10110918)
Easier to stand on the corner with a sign and pull in $300 to $500 a day, tax free.
I call that being entrepreneurial. You are providing a service of making people feel like they are charitable.

tabs 07-17-2018 12:36 PM
Many of the Posters on this Thread are truly sick fks....You don't see the comprehensive nature of an entitlement mindset. You don't see that capitalistic corporations think that they are entitled to get away without cost for their societal obligations. They think that they should skate by, by being free from being responsible to the society that they suck their profits from. That is why government has imposed laws to reign them in.

Jims5543 07-17-2018 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10110446)
Wages don't make the worker. Paying more isn't going to bring more dedicated, responsible workers into the work force. If you are content to sit on your ass now, offering more money isn't going to turn you into a good worker. Paying more might help keep people you have, but it isn't going to increase the pool of good workers.
Before I owned my business, I worked for some real winners. Cheapskate would be an understatement.

I had this theory, if I paid my employees really well, treated them great and was really nice to them, they would work really hard for me.

I could not be more wrong.

Let me put it this way, I can now hire if I wanted to, I used to have 20 employees, now I have 2. I do not want to hire and deal with them anymore. I am happy being a small company.

Tervuren 07-17-2018 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jims5543 (Post 10111006)
Before I owned my business, I worked for some real winners. Cheapskate would be an understatement.

I had this theory, if I paid my employees really well, treated them great and was really nice to them, they would work really hard for me.

I could not be more wrong.

Let me put it this way, I can now hire if I wanted to, I used to have 20 employees, now I have 2. I do not want to hire and deal with them anymore. I am happy being a small company.
Jim, it has been my observation that raising the wages in the door above standard won't make things better, however identifying who has your interests in their heart and paying them accordingly is also a good thing to do.

Entry hire, entry pay.

If some one wants above entry pay as an entry hire, that is a major red flag that they can't live up to it.

fastfredracing 07-17-2018 12:45 PM
The guy I deal with at advance, broke 1 million dollars in sales last year, by himself.
He made $37k


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