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madcorgi 08-24-2018 01:06 PM

"The Pass": just never gets old
 
Ran across this again today. Hard to believe it was 22 freakin' years ago. I remember it happening like it was yesterday.
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Captain Ahab Jr 08-24-2018 01:13 PM

What a move!

GH85Carrera 08-24-2018 01:15 PM

We we were in the driver's meeting for my play time at that track, the race master specifically said, "do not try the Zanardi line though the corkscrew!" we all laughed.



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astrochex 08-24-2018 01:30 PM

Colin Edwards pass on Valentino Rossi in 2005 was another epic corkscrew monent.

Tobra 08-24-2018 01:54 PM

Colin Edwards grew up down the street from my wife.

rattlsnak 08-24-2018 02:07 PM

That Zanardi pass really shouldn't have been allowed. All 4 wheels off the track constitutes a "short cut"..

vash 08-24-2018 02:16 PM

was there a heated interview afterwards? that was pretty amazing.

Shaun @ Tru6 08-24-2018 02:30 PM

That's cheating.

Tobra 08-24-2018 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rattlsnak (Post 10155835)
That Zanardi pass really shouldn't have been allowed. All 4 wheels off the track constitutes a "short cut"..

Yup, should have been penalized

Jeff Higgins 08-24-2018 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rattlsnak (Post 10155835)
That Zanardi pass really shouldn't have been allowed. All 4 wheels off the track constitutes a "short cut"..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6 (Post 10155860)
That's cheating.

Agreed. "Brilliant move" my ass. He cut the course and gained an advantage. Since he did not give the place back, he should have been penalized with added time, since there was no time for a stop and go.

Aerkuld 08-24-2018 03:08 PM

Agreed. I remember this very well, and the more I see it the more I think it was a dishonest pass.

A ballsy move, yes, but it would only have been a brilliant move if he'd stayed on the track.

Still, Zanardi is clearly a racer and you have to give him credit for even trying to pass there. I guess in his mind it was "If I pull it off, it's good. If I stuff it up, who cares". I wonder whether he even thought he could keep it on the track? Much as I hate penalties deciding the outcome of a race, this is an instance where I think it's justified.

madcorgi 08-24-2018 03:16 PM

Like I said—never gets old.

TimT 08-24-2018 04:11 PM

I do not agree, it is a clean pass, if you check the video... he has two wheels in the dirt, two still on asphalt...

Granted this is 22 year prior to the NASCAR guys at Watkins Glen using every bit of asphalt.... and they go 20-30 feet beyond the turtles and come back on track... the whole pack. This little two wheel off excursion was given a pass.. as it should have been...

Do you not think the second place team didn't protest? I'm sure they did

madcorgi 08-24-2018 04:52 PM

Oh yeah, Huerta protested. I think maybe CART realized that it would be an iconic moment they didn’t want to screw up.

I think this basically broke Herta as a driver. He was a consistent front runner, but only won twice—both at Laguna Seca. IIRC.

Por_sha911 08-24-2018 06:32 PM

Short cutting the corner was illegal then but CART/Indy always have always had two sets of rules. One set for the favorite sons and the other set of rules for the other 20 drivers. That said, Zanardi was one fantastic driver. He would have been a legend if he hadn't had the crash.

It was cool to hear Paul Page's voice again.

smadsen 08-24-2018 07:13 PM

Zanardi over-cooked it on the way in, Hurta chose not to turn down on him, which he could have, probably launching Zanardi, Zanardi finished up with four wheels in the ice plant.

Sorry, illegal pass, 10 second stop & go. Any first year Steward at an SCCA club race could have called that one.

Oh, wait a minute...…. It was a CART race.

Jeff Higgins 08-24-2018 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimT (Post 10155974)
I do not agree, it is a clean pass, if you check the video... he has two wheels in the dirt, two still on asphalt...

Granted this is 22 year prior to the NASCAR guys at Watkins Glen using every bit of asphalt.... and they go 20-30 feet beyond the turtles and come back on track... the whole pack. This little two wheel off excursion was given a pass.. as it should have been...

Do you not think the second place team didn't protest? I'm sure they did

Yes, two in the dirt, two on the asphalt - on the wrong side of the curb. Off the track. Off of the racing surface. A clear violation any way you look at it.

Reiver 08-24-2018 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aerkuld (Post 10155907)
Agreed. I remember this very well, and the more I see it the more I think it was a dishonest pass.

A ballsy move, yes, but it would only have been a brilliant move if he'd stayed on the track.

Still, Zanardi is clearly a racer and you have to give him credit for even trying to pass there. I guess in his mind it was "If I pull it off, it's good. If I stuff it up, who cares". I wonder whether he even thought he could keep it on the track? Much as I hate penalties deciding the outcome of a race, this is an instance where I think it's justified.

Was it 'gutsy' or 'ballsy'? Here is a solid definition...

Guts vs Balls

There is a medical distinction between
“Guts” and “Balls”, according to the British military.

We've heard colleagues referring to people with “Guts”, or with
“Balls”. Do they, however, know the difference between
them? Here’s the official distinction; straight from the
British Medical Journal: Volume 323; page 295.

GUTS - Is arriving home late, after a night out with the lads, being
met by your wife with a broom, and having the “Guts” to ask:
“Are you still cleaning, or are you flying somewhere?”

BALLS - Is coming home late after a night out with the lads, smelling
of perfume and beer, lipstick on your collar, slapping your
wife on the bum and having the “Balls” to say:
"You're next, Chubby."

I trust this clears up any confusion.


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