#MeToo
 

Pound me too - always makes me laugh

Anyway, this is an interesting article on the numbers and the demographics of the high profile people accused.

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-me-too-anniversary/

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1538746686.JPG

I posted the "pound me too" joke on FB a while back, and a super-ultra-liberal FOAF ^ 2 just about had a keyboard aneurysm - totally worth it. She's one of those that invented a single-word name for herself by munging her and her ex-husband's names.

Yea, I spent may years in the days of dial up modems commands. The pound sign, tilde, back slash and forward slash were just common lingo. My brain reads # as pound every-time.

If there is any good to come out of this, it may be the actions quoted below.

NPR covered the hotel housekeepers thing today, apparently many of them are sexually assaulted and the women have a difficult time getting management and the police to react.

The part of "it comes with the job" is going to be no more.

The opening article has the most citations of any non-technical research paper I have ever seen.

Probably as many words as the article.

Pound me too

Better than:
Pound Me Again

I guess.

For people fixin´ on pounding their way into fame and fortune, and failed.


I wonder how much truth, in one way or the other, that statement holds.

Exactly. Gotta wonder how many women, particularly in Hollywood, made their careers flat on their backs. Conversely, how many have tried and failed. Women can be horribly manipulative, vindictive, dishonest creatures. "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

Bingo. I left the employ of one company after twelve years when my boss hit on me. She later made partner- after she did her best to fk me up when I turned her down. And yes- I told my wife of 39 years. An amazing angel who's proof there are some remarkable wonderful women out there.

Why is "entertainment" not under the same section as "arts and music"? And what is "policy industry"?

I'm guessing "Policy" is lobbying

in policy are not the hookers paid to be hookers ?
[ so they only complain if not paid ]

I thought a 'me too movement' was having to poop at the same time as someone else.

my wife endured some of this. it was the catalyst that made her change careers.

i dont laugh at any of it. none of it even remotely feels like a joke.

I'm very sorry to hear this, Cliff.

No woman should have to endure any of that crap.

In my lifetime I have to say that most men behave themselves pretty good. But there are a percentage that act like complete a-holes and can't help themselves being a swine around women. And that's not fair to swine who are way further up on the evolution scale.

If I ever was present during any such event, I would do everything I could to defend the lady and make sure the deviate never did it again.

Totally inappropriate. Sexual abuse of our mothers and daughters is serious and it is never appropriate to mock efforts to stop it.

Seems to me that all the butthurt towards folks who have never abused a woman in their life and all the false accusations do not help the cause. Much like refusing to pay respect to the National Anthem.

Let’s hope so. My 17 year old granddaughter wants to be a singer. The idea that she’d be Donald Trump/Harvey Weinsteined because of her career choice makes me sick. Hopefully the days of having to screw the gatekeeper to get into your chosen career are behind us. Hopefully.

Let us hope. But, most women succeed without that.

Whereas males are pure as the driven snow (especially older, unfairly put upon by modern society, white males that I keep reading the laments for in PARF and OT)?

[QUOTE]Whereas males are pure as the driven snow (especially older, unfairly put upon by modern society, white males that I keep reading the laments for in PARF and OT)?[/QUOT

So you strawman what he didn't say to make an argument.

D'fk.

No, I don't cairns much.

Sexual abuse and harassment are heinous and should be prosecuted.

False accusations (for profit or political motive) should be prosecuted just as severely since they destroy the credibility of those who genuinely are victims.

Unfortunately, into today's society, every male is guilty until proven innocent. ie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football) Even after the accusations are proven false, lives have been destroyed.

How did they get hashtag from the pound sign?

I thought the me too movement was for all those who own mustangs, corvettes and challengers. No?

I'm gonna say most of Hollywood has. And it makes sense, too. Hollywood has been drenched with sex ever since it ever was. Sex in every which way seems to be the currency of Hollywood. And for many years it was unabashed about it and more so recently. Probably still is. When you start seeing frumpy ugly old fat people, men and women, without paint and wearing sacks for clothes breaking into the big time you can be assured Hollywood has changed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign

Meh, people don't want to watch movies with unattractive people.

Also unfortunately every female who makes an accusation is assumed to be guilty of lying about it. How do you resolve the paradox if everyone is assumed innocent?

Assume the man is innocent - he didn’t do it.
Assume the woman is innocent - he did it.

For much of history it was mostly assumed women were guilty of lying, to the point where they wouldn’t even bother to report it. Fortunately we seem to be moving to an era when the assumption of innocence is more even handed.

Very good post. These are serious crimes but they need to be dealt with by an even hand. Guilty until proven innocent is not how our system works. Sadly the court of public opinion is held to no such standard.

I agree. In another thread, I suggested that if someone makes a false accusation, they are prosecuted for that. But the unique aspect, if they are found guilty, they are sentanced equal to the falsely accused crime. Falsely accuse muder, you are sentanced like a murderer. Falsly accuse rape, you are setanced like a rapist.

That is why our legal system is founded on the principle of innocent until proven guilty. Want to make an accusation? Have a witness or a blue dress with a semen stain on it... If a woman is raped, go to the hospital and have the exam to gather evidence. If there is physical abuse, there will be evidence. If you regretted what you did last night, that is not a crime.

Why bother, we have, by some estimates, 10s of thousands of untested rape kits in the country. Nobody really cares or believes the accusers.

https://www.npr.org/2016/01/17/463358406/whats-being-done-to-address-the-countrys-backlog-of-untested-rape-kits

"On the backlog numbers at its worst
Unfortunately, we don't have an overarching number (of untested rape kits) so that's why we still talk in estimates and that maintains the problem. But if you look at states like Texas, where they were one of the pioneers in auditing and inventory in their kits, they had 20,000 kits. We had thousands in cities alone and the numbers were to say the least disturbing. In Illinois, 4,000 kits. Michigan, 11,000 in Detroit alone. In Ohio, 4,000 kits found in Cleveland and then 10,000 kits across the state."

If no one is going to look at the evidence they gather after you go to a hospital and submit your crotch for examination by a bunch of strangers, there isn't a strong incentive to go through the additional humiliation. Being raped is bad enough.

Why?
Why assume the accuser is guilty of lying and he/shehas to prove they aren't? Why not assume the accused is guilty of assault or whatever and they have to prove they aren't?

Who on earth says this? And you know as well as everyone else here that is not our legal system. France, yes. UCMJ, yes. USA, NO!

I found this perspective interesting:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1538874519.jpg

Actress Kristy Swanson (Buffy the Vampire Slayer from the movie by that name) puts it in perspective:
https://video.foxnews.com/v/5845167553001/

I present the 5th and 6th Amendments:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presumption_of_innocence

So, that is why.

Lets suppose:
I have just paid your neighbor to accuse you of attempting to sexually assault them. YOU must prove your innocence. That puts time and expense on your shoulders to defend yourself of a bogus claim. In the meantime, since you are assumed guilty until proven innocent, you have been fired, your wife has left you, you cannot see your children or grandchildren (pending on your age), no one will come near you, and, worst of all, you have to prove a negative (which is virtually impossible). I will now propose that everyone here should refuse to discuss anything with you since you are a sexual predator until proven otherwise. Welcome to the Hell you propose.

So who is the accused?

“He assaulted me.”
“She’s lying”

Two accusations. Your 5th and 6th amendments should apply to both, no?

Is lying, except under oath, a crime?

Assault is a crime. It has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

We can suppose a million scenarios. That one is pretty far out there. I doubt that it has ever happened. When it is so common that it has its own definition, like “date rape” I will be glad to talk about what we should do about the problem of “accusations for hire.”

Sorry wd, I am not talking to you any longer. You've been accused of sexual assault and until you PROVE your innocence I am assuming you are guilty.