OT - What do you think and feel about this,...

[overkill]

Do you think we are gonna go to WAR? Do you think they will or try to use NUC/ BIO weapons against the USA? I have been watching the news ALL day and they just said that the gask masks that our troops are or might have to wear are defective and they will not prevent them from breathing in any chemical agents they might use. This guy that phoned into the news station said that it wont kill the troops right away but will affect the troops down the road. This other guy said this is not the time to be talking about that and not to worry they do work. What the hell is going to happen? If you havent noticed, I am nervous.



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[rbt944]

Im pretty sure Sadam will use biochemical weapons on our troops. I just hope that they take him out quick enough that he won't get to use his weapons. But it is war and one should prepare for the worse.

-Gus.

[SoCal Driver]

Wait! Saddam says he doesn't have bio or chem weapons!!!????!!!

[Blackfoot]

since he has already used them against his own people, i think he will use everything he has against us, which will include banned chemical agents, and bio agents if he gets the chance. doubtful has nuclear weapons.

he will also attempt to destroy his own oil refineries.

i doubt he will be taken alive, or surrender or agree to go to another country to spare innocent lives.

but as his military strength is about half of what it was durning desert storm, it will be over relatively soon. i hope.

[stray15]

What ever happens I hope it happens quick. My best friend is waiting for "the call" from his Marine reserve post to be sent over seas.

I don't want to see him leave...

[fty]

I just had terrorism traing and recieved a dufflebag of gasmasks and tyvex suits..your scared...Im scared!!!!!!

[FLA944]

Guys,

Congratulations you are rational,normal human beings, and should be scared.

I get pretty ticked when I go to my pub and all these idiots are jumping up and down how we should "kick Iraqi but" and "kill em all" and what they would do to em. blah,blah,blah

These obvious morons 1.) would never enlist 2.) if the draft were started again would leave the country 3.) know more about football than politics 4.) would go to a Tampa-Wisc. game in lieu of voting

I met these same idiots in '70s just on the other spectrum.

I lovingly call them "Americas Elite Colon Commandos"

Sorry had to Vent: USMC 1975-1982

Rick

[944freak]

I'm sure the place will be pretty much demolished before we go in to "clean up" We'll bomb them untill they are exhausted. Even if they have the weapons I don't think they'll have much of a chance to deploy them. I have several friends in or on the way to Kuwait. As for me I'm still around Afganistan..

[overkill]

I do not want to be drafted.

[CJFusco]

We wouldn't even care about Saddam if Iraq didn't have the 2nd largest stockpile of oil in the world. He is a convenient excuse.

The fact of the matter is that there are far more pressing threats in the world right now than Saddam Hussein. North Korea has their finger on the trigger, and the remnants of the Tali Ban still have us on "orange alert" as I type this. What's the Bush administration's response?:

"Uhhhhh... well...we have intelligence that says that Iraq is supporting the Tali Ban. Yeah, that's the ticket!."

Look at it from Saddam's point of view: even if he does have weapons, if he used them on the United States or any European country, the entire world would now have a very good reason to attack him - remember, at this point most of the civilized countries in the world are against this war. Saddam would be crazy to attack the U.S. unprovoked. But what we are doing right now is provoking him... we are forcing him into a corner. Have you ever cornered a cat or a dog? Do you know what happens?

Is Saddam a twisted, demented f***er that has no place ruling a country? Absolutely, but we didn't seem to care when we funded and supported him during his war with Iran during the Reagan administration. We even patted him on the back when he was done. Same thing that happened when the Russians were invading Afghanistan... the Russians were the enemy-of-the-moment, so we supported the Tali Ban-controlled government. Most of the weapons and training they have are thanks to us. The government will support any cause, no matter how devious it is, if popular support dictates that they are the lesser of two evils. And that's the way it works.

So let's look at why we are probably going to war in the coming weeks:

1)The economy is failing. Nothing boosts an unhealthy economy like a good war.

2) Oil is the single most profitable resource on the planet. The country that controls the world's oil controls the world. And if you have any doubt that this is true, think about the fact that the reason the US was involved in Vietnam was because they deemed the climate and soil to be perfect for raising crops. The government has admitted that the "threat of Communism" was just a convenient excuse.

3) Bush wants to go down in history with a good approval rating. Wars tend to do that: "oh, he's such a good leader!"

4) The American people are scared because of the threat of terror, and when the American people get scared, they tend to want to crush any and all threats immediately. I actually heard otherwise rational people say we should "nuke Afghanistan" after the Sept 11 attacks. Ill-informed and vengeful? If they were litigious, it would be an American hat-trick. And if you have any doubt that this really happens, please remember that after the Pearl Harbor bombings, the government put all the Japanese-Americans they could find into concentration camps.

I know I am going to get flamed for this post because Americans have the innate ability to label anyone that criticizes their government as "un-patriotic" and either a "hippie" or "commie." But remember, there is an old saying that goes "the people that love their country the most are the ones most critical of it" (i think Thomas Jefferson said that, but I could be wrong). Also, Americans have the innate ability to believe every word they get from CNN and the New York Times. Wake up, everyone... those are media outlets with political reasons for saying what they say. Just because CNN says Sadam is a pressing threat doesn't make it true.

That being said, flame on!!!!

[SoCal Driver]

Originally posted by overkill
I do not want to be drafted.

Enlist.

[lambic2000]

The major difference between Iraq and North Korea is that Iraq is surrounded by many Arab Countries that could give a rats ass if Saddam possesses weapons of mass destruction. North Korea is surrounded by countries that do care and will take the appropriate action when the time comes. I frankly am tired of the "blame America" crowd and all these peacenicks who look past the evil done by dictators like Saddam and have nothing better to do than say things about this country that would get them killed in Iraq if uttered there. The vast majority of the anti-war demonstrators are left winged, liberal, hate Bush, pot smoking, long haired hippies who wouldn't serve a day in the United States military if this country needed them. That's a shame.

Stephen

[scottmandue]

CJFusco - STOP MAKING SENSE!

China and Korea are more of a threat to us than Sodom Insane but as long as they can supply us with oodles of cheap labor we will turn a blind eye to their atrocities.

[CJFusco]

Scottmandue, you are absolutely right.

"I frankly am tired of the "blame America" crowd and all these peacenicks who look past the evil done by dictators like Saddam and have nothing better to do than say things about this country "

Oh, you think Saddam is the only one 'doing evil?' How about when the U.S. bomed a Nicaraguan pharmacutical plant during the Clinton administration - an act that the UN forbade us from doing, calling it an act of terrorism - which resulted in the deaths in MILLIONS of innocent people because they couldn't get their medicine. Just because America does something doesn't mean it's "right".

I do not have long hair, I don't smoke pot regularly. I am a Dean's List college student, close to graduating cum laude, who just happens to care passionately against politics. Most of the people that I know are against this war, and they are not "long haired, pot-smoking peacenicks" either. They are intelligent and rational people. As a matter of fact, I have a bunch of friends studying political science, and none of them can make sense of why so many American people are tricked into thinking this is a just cause.

Would I have served in the military in WWII? Yes, absolutely. Would I have served in the military in Vietnam? No. Would I serve in the military right now? No, because I don't agree with what the government is doing. I would be a man of low moral conviction if I put my beliefs aside just because the government told me to. Am I liberal? Somewhat... I have some concervative beliefs, I have some liberal beliefs. Do I hate Bush? No, but I don't think he's fit to run a country either. Would I rather have Gore in office? Not especially, there are things i like about him and things I dont - but I know that he makes more sense when it comes to foreign policy.

[SoCal Driver]

Sorry CJ but your liberal press rant just doesn't support facts.

First Irak has between 5 and 10% of the known world oil reserves. Insignificant compared to Alaska, Russia and Venezuela.

Keep in mind that I would rather keep Saddam holed up but the situation in that area is more than just inside the borders of Irak.

Yes there is oil involved in this. France and Germany have seen fit to bypass the embargos and sell technology that has enabled Saddam to rebuild his WOMD's. They take Saddam's oil and his profits from other oil sales. Oil money that could have gone into developing infrastructure for his citizens. France is stalling because they will be exposed.

Had the US under Bush-1 been more interested in oil we would have gone all the way to Baghdad.

Had the US been interested in only the oil we would have bought all we could bypassing the UN like France and Germany did. Surely a lot cheaper in costs and human lives.

Now we see the same situation developing that resulted in the invasion of Kuwait (for oil). Saddam is a problem for the local Arab community but they keep their concerns a quite whisper in the ear of the US so as not to upset their bastard son Ben Laden and his extreme followers. As a threat to the local countries which do supply the ROW with oil it is an "oil" thing.

the Al Qeada connection has been firmly established. There is no doubt. Even France admits to it.

Yes "Americans" believe most everything the liberal press throws at them; CNN and the NYT included. Just where did you get your arguments??????

As to wither you are UN-American. Possibly. It's obvious that you are mistaken in your perceptions.

[SoCal Driver]

Originally posted by CJFusco
Scottmandue, you are absolutely right.

Oh, you think Saddam is the only one 'doing evil?' How about when the U.S. bomed a Nicaraguan pharmacutical plant during the Clinton administration - an act that the UN forbade us from doing, calling it an act of terrorism - which resulted in the deaths in MILLIONS of innocent people because they couldn't get their medicine. Just because America does something doesn't mean it's "right".

BULL *****! Show me anything in any publication that Clittons stupid cruise missile attack killed more than just the night watchman. I'm also confused as to why the destruction of an "aspirin factory" would result in the "death of MILLIONS". BULL *****!

And the plant was NOT in South America!!!

Must be an easy college there CJ!!!

You wanted a global economy -- a global world. Now you have to take the heat that such brings. I'm tired of our actions of self preservation being called right or wrong. I'm going to live to see tomorrow even if I have to blow the ROW of the face of this planet.

"Live Free Or Die"

[overkill]

Originally posted by SoCal Driver
Enlist.

I'm sorry but I do not want to fight. This may sound weird or not make any sence,... but I WOULD take somones life if they tried to take mine or anyone else's life in the immediate area as self defence. I do not want to go to some other country where they are going to try and kill me(fact) just so I have a reason to kill them. Yes, the taliban destoyed and killed thousands of people when they dropped the twin towers. I'm sure saddam has NUC/ BIO weapons that he could probably use on the US and by that he is threating my life. I do not want to go out there to kill people. If one of those taliban guyz were standing right in front of me and tried to kill me,... then he'd better pray for his life because I would have no problem taking it from him. I want to stay behind and take care of my mother and my brother and sister. My mother has a friggin heart condition and many other problems. If something happened to her there would be no one to take care of the kids. My father? My father hasnt seen the kids in YEARS and neither have I. I would not let him touch the kids. The rest of the family dont really give a rats ass about us because of there selfish ways.

[CJFusco]

You are somewhat right, somewhat wrong, So-Cal.

Iraq does have roughly 10% of the world's known oil reserves... making it the second-largest oil producing country in the world, after Saudi Arabia. Venesuela also has near that amount (as far as Russia is concerned, last i heard the report was that the Russian government has no idea exactly how much oil is in the northern part of the country... it's too hard to approximate). There is a comparative amount of oil in Alaska and Texas combined, but much of the oil in Alaska is in protected wildlife preserves. Bush has tried passing bills to drill in these preservations, but Congress repeatedly shoots him down.

"Had the US under Bush-1 been more interested in oil we would have gone all the way to Baghdad. "

I think you're missing the point here. We are not trying to STEAL all the oil in Iraq; we merely want to ensure that we have access to the oil at a reasonable price, and that we can regulate what that price is. We could NEVER just "go all the way to Baghdad"... that would have the rest of the world up-in-arms and we would make many, many more enemies than just Iraq, the Tali-ban, N. Korea, and China then. The US is trying to control the world's oil market, not forcibly take over a country and make enemies out of most of the world.

And, yes, the media is "liberal," but it is "liberal" in the same sense of the word as the Democratic Party is "liberal," and Joe Lieberman is "liberal." They would still have the same agenda as the Republicans... they are two sides of the same coin. I don't like most Democrats much more than most Republicans. Ted Kennedy excluded .

And as far as being "Un-American?" I only want what's best for our country. Speaking out against something that I think is wrong does not make me un-American. A lot of protesters were called un-American in the late 1960s and early 1970s, yet now most government officials admit that Vietnam was a mistake. Funny how that works out, isn't it?

I don't think I'M the one mistaken in my perceptions.

and overkill, i agree with you completely. I could not bring myself to murder another human being.

[CJFusco]

Sorry I mis-typed. The Reagan administration bombed Nicaragua, the Clinton adminitration bombed the Sudan asprin factory (claiming it was a weapons plant?). Good catch on your part. See what happens when you don't pay attention to what you're writing.

[SoCal Driver]

Answer the other parts of my statement. You are avoiding the issues.

It's not un-American; it's UN-American.

"Live Free Or Die"