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carolinus · 02-09-2003, 01:31 PM

We protected our interests in the region, in the first Gulf War. Hussein assaulted one of our oil suppliers, so we beat him back.
We were not in a position to just seize all of the oil production in the area. This time we can.

This situation and that situation are quite similar in that the least we are doing is protecting our interests, and the most we are doing is flat imperialism.

Would the world stand by if we decided to take possession of Iraq? Very possibly. History is full of people who did what they wanted now and dealt with the consequences later.

As for people who are new to Middle Eastern politics, please read this for a small sampling of what I am talking about.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52241-2002Dec29.html

This is just a small sampling of the things we have done in that part of the world that we should be afraid of. We made Saddam the threat to us that we are so worried about today.

Wolf1 · 02-09-2003, 02:20 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by carolinus

Would the world stand by if we decided to take possession of Iraq? Very possibly. History is full of people who did what they wanted now and dealt with the consequences later.

I think we are trying to bring our version of peace and happiness, to a part of the world that has known nothing but war and invasion since biblical times. These people in the middle east don't have the same thought process as we do, and do not value their lives and safety in the manner that we do. We always seem to simply displace the current threat or evil and help to rebuild the country with a new leader of similar ideals and desires of war. I think the only way to achieve and maintain peace in these countries is to establish a new form of government more similar to, if not our own.
I'm thinkin Baghdad needs a Wal-mart and maybe a Mcdonalds or two!!
Why wouldn't the U.N. approve of the U.S./U.N. maintaining a joint governmental control of Iraq?
Just think, oil prices under control, cleaner refining techniques and the elimination of funding for leaders like Suddam.
OK, OK, can open worms everywhere!!!
FLAME-ON!!!

CJFusco · CJFusco's Garage

Well said, carolinus.

"And, have you forgot that Saddam plotted the assassination of George Bush the Senior? "

Have you forgotten that our government has been trying to assassinate Saddam for years?

to Blackfoot: I've already addressed the questions in your post in this thread.

carolinus · 02-09-2003, 03:49 PM

Wolf1's point of view is one that I would like to comment on. I don't necessarily disagree with that. We have screwed around enough, and either we need to just go and do it and get it done, or we need to stay home. Anything else is just killing people.

lambic2000 · lambic2000's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by carolinus
Would the world stand by if we decided to take possession of Iraq? Very possibly.

Yeah, your probably right. Russia, France, Germany and a host of other members on the United Nations Security Council wouldn't care less.

And I'm Ferdinand Porsche.

Stephen

lambic2000 · lambic2000's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by CJFusco
"And, have you forgot that Saddam plotted the assassination of George Bush the Senior? "

Have you forgotten that our government has been trying to assassinate Saddam for years?

Now I know you aren't comparing George Bush the Senior to Saddam Hussein? What did Bush do to deserve an assassination?

Stephen

carolinus · 02-09-2003, 05:04 PM

To lambic2000, I didn't say that they wouldn't care, I just don't think that they are in a position to do much about it. UN trade sanctions against the United States? Can you say world economic collapse?

And do you think that military action would really be considered? That would be nice... If that were reality, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The world would also have one government.

bulachip · 02-09-2003, 05:06 PM

F@#@# saddam and f*^$@@ war I will not go
I would rather stay and drive my 944
we need to leave this situation alone

Wolf1 · 02-09-2003, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bulachip
F@#@# saddam and f*^$@@ war I will not go
I would rather stay and drive my 944
we need to leave this situation alone

We can't just leave this situation alone! Would you rather wage this "war" with them on their soil, or wait until they bring it to us.
Should we just sit back and wait to see if any WOMD land in our back-yards, or should we go find them and deal with it NOW.
Even if all the economical, social, and political issues were removed from this situation, we are still in danger. If Saddam succeeds in causing mass destruction in our country, He will be immortalized by his followers as a Hero.
The willingness for people to follow him will be strengthened, therefore he will become stronger.
I say act now and finish the job!!

lambic2000 · lambic2000's Garage

Quote:

Originally posted by Wolf1
I say act now and finish the job!!

Amen brother!

Stephen

bulachip · 02-09-2003, 08:30 PM

Fellas
Bush is feeding our nation propaganda. Saddam is not nearly as dangerous as he wants Us to think he is!! He wants a war to fix out economic problems. However this will not work, because it will not be WWII we are already Industrialized!! Plus one sure way to get Saddam to fire off his weapons on us is to go to war with him. He does not care what we do to his country 1992 is a perfect example of this!!

hoff944 · 02-09-2003, 09:32 PM

A lot of people think that UN Resolution 1441 is just where the inspectors roam around Iraq and find Saddam’s WOMD. Not true. The job of the inspectors is to verify that Saddam had voluntarily disarmed and disposed of his WOMD. It has not been shown that he has not. The job of the inspectors is done. Are we supposed to believe that out of the kindess of his heart between 1998-2002 he dissarmed? I doubt it. Like the old saying goes, maybe we need to "Take the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US". Isn't Libya head of the human rights cousel in the UN? How messed up is that? And by the way....did I read someone praising Ted Kennedy earlier or was I seeing things?

944freak · 02-10-2003, 05:31 AM

How many more lives would have been lost at WTC if some type of chemical/ biological attack would have happened instead of the planes? Many more..... so I am with Bush all the way. This war is not for the money.......we're going farther into debt with this war....Hoff944 has it right. Maybe we're going a little too fast or maybe Bush is bluffing a little to force Sadam to make a bad move or disarm, otherwise we will be prepared when the time comes.

overkill · 02-10-2003, 06:40 AM

944Freak, are you going to be prepared when he sends some long range missles to the US? Are you going to be prepared if those taliban ****ers introduce small pox or some other biological agent here? At the hospital where I work,... they are going to start administering the small pox vaccine. The small pox vaccine!!! Do you know how contagious that **** is!!! Do you know what it does to you? Heres a question,... if sadam isnt our greatest threat and we should not be going to war with him, what do we do about the AlQeada? Isnt sadam giving them aid? I thought we were going to war against terrorism. We went from the taliban bombing TWC to sadam and his nukes. Did the taliban get the anthrax from sadam? Did sadam fund TWC attack? If we are not suppose to go to war with sadam then who?

overkill · 02-10-2003, 06:47 AM

What the hell is up with the AWOL marines??? What kind of **** is that? Why do I have the feeling that the world is coming to an end right before my eyes? On the news lately, Michael Jackson, that chick that ran over his husband like 3 times, but says it was a mistake, the war, and now the marines gone AWOL.

944freak · 02-10-2003, 09:10 AM

Overkill was that whole post directed to me? I am ready for the US to get rid of Sadam, get rid of AlQueada, get rid of all terrorism possible. On the long range missiles... they can't reach this far but they can reach places overseas where we have troops stationed. Small Pox.....it's not know that anyone has a Small Pox weapon. All we know is that it is possible that maybe "I think" Russia might have leaked some out years ago. As far as we know for a fact on Small Pox is that there are specimans in a couple of labs. One being in the US and I think the other is in Russia. We are still bombing and searching for Taliban and AlQuada in Afganistan, thats why I am here. Iraqs Army is much weaker now than it was in the Gulf War. In the Gulf War many many many Iraqi troops surrendered because as a POW they got to eat. We are going to get through this.

SoCal Driver · SoCal Driver's Garage

"Associated Press:

Irak documents captured yesterday have been decoded and the targeting coordinates for Saddam's first missile attack has been determined to be New Jersey. "No great loss" President Bush said when asked about this discovery."

Don't worry Overkill the missiles can't go any further than Bahrain, the other end of the Persian gulf. Would be a miracle if they even hit Bahrain considering their lack of accuracy. But when filled with all of the bio's or chem's that Saddam says he doesn't have (but has directed his army to use), their accuracy is close enough.

Still without the help of all of the cowards, domestic and offshore, the US is going in. Personally anyone that goes beyond a peaceful demonstration should be locked up on supporting the enemy charges.

And I don't give a flying crap that anyone "feels" this is not the best thing to do.

** Edited for content -Z-man. **
Let's keep it clean, guys.

PLONK!

Roger Hall · 02-10-2003, 10:08 AM

Got this email today thought I would share.

Little Melissa comes home from first grade and tells her father that they
learned about the history of Valentine's Day. "Since Valentine's Day is for
a Christian saint and we're Jewish," she asks, "will God get mad at me for
giving someone a valentine?"

Melissa's father thinks a bit, then says "No, I don't think God would get
mad. Who do you want to give a valentine to?"

"Osama Bin Laden," she says.

"Why Osama Bin Laden?", her father asks in shock.

"Well," she says, "I thought that if a little American Jewish girl could
have enough love to give Osama a valentine, he might start to think that
maybe we're not all bad, and maybe start loving people a little bit.

And if other kids saw what I did and sent valentines to Osama, he'd love
everyone a lot. And then he'd start going all over the place to tell
everyone how much he loved them and how he didn't hate anyone anymore."

Her father's heart swells and he looks at his daughter with new-found pride.

"Melissa, that's the most wonderful thing I've ever heard."

"I know," Melissa says, "and then once he's out in the open, the Marines
could blow his ass away!"

944S Boyeee · 02-10-2003, 10:17 AM

As a Canadian, I'm curious as to why anyone who doesn't support this war is UN-American or should leave America or is having a "love fest"??

Is that how the American people work? Listen to the leader - do what he says or be ostracized? Isn't that kinda like how Iraq works??

Not ONE single person on this board, that board or any board have ANY clue as to what is really going on. Heck, the majority of those in the US Government has no real clue to what the truth is.

Everyone here states personal beliefs based on "facts" they have obtained through books, media, heresay, etc, etc. Anyone here actually ever talk to Saddam or George? Anyone here ever sit in on a UN meeting??? Didn't think so!

Just imagine those who know the real truth, sitting around reading these posts (and many other political posts). They must be bending over with laughter.

News flash - we are the "numbers". We are the "sheep". Do you really think the real truth would ever be passed our way? Nope! We see, hear and act the way "someone" or "something" out there wants us to.

Is this war about oil? No. Is his about weapons of mass destruction? No. Is it about ANYTHING people mention? No.

I wouldn't worry to much Overkill. My opinion (which is based on my GUT and not facts and stories) is that this whole "war" thing is just being done to scare people into doing things and/or giving up things (rights, etc).

What we see is a microcosim (if even that) of the bigger picture. "They" never told us smokes were not bad for us at the start. "They" never told us how bad leaded gas was. "They" only let "us" know what "they" want us to know. Someone is in control of all media and how it is used to form public opinions and scare us. These are the people who are making Overkill antsy - not Saddam.

Ignore it all Overkill - your opinion, your "vote", your feelings, all mean nothing to these people. Just take everything you hear as a joke.....cause most of it is just that. Think about it Overkill - has ANYTHING the Government done ever really effected you at all? And I don't mean you having to pay more or less for this and that. Ignore the monitorial effects and ask yourself - "......has the Government even really noticed I exist unless they want something from me?".

The answer is no. We're about as close to the Cow as we can get. We all just graze around the planet, consuming stuff and using stuff and the farm owner uses us for our milk and meat. Heck - at least the real farmer names some of his cows - as humans, in the eyes of the Government, we are nameless....until they need us. Then we are called "the people".

Go about your life Overkill - don't cause a stink and don't stand out. Conform. Pay your taxes - have the 2.5 children - get the home with the white picket fence, but most importantly - don't forget to give up your soul. You better adhere to these suggestions - or there may just be a war!!!!

944S Boyeee - livin' life and ignoring those who try and play with my mind.

Hawktel · 02-10-2003, 10:26 AM

As an US Citizen I have the right to have my say, and I make sure to take it. I'm not certain I like the war, but that stops the moment the war starts. After it starts the decision has been made. Its then time to do the best we can about it, and hope the bloody business is over quickly. I get the feeling if CJFusco was a Gore supporter he would still be rehashing the election.

Is th war right? There are many diffrent reasons for this fight. Oil, Terrorism, Revenge for the sneak attack on Bush Sr, UN power, ect.

In the end we can all agree Sadam is a bad man. Using the excuse there is other bad men in the world is the same as me saying to the guy who abuses one child right in front of me, "your okay cause that jerk down the block is abusing 2 children!"

I'm not that kinda shmuck, and I'd hope you would have the stones to not be one either.

Back on topic though, whats a 944 Lux? I saw that in a magazine and didn't know what it was.

Ed Hachtel