A cure for cancer?

[Rickysa]

Israeli scientists say they think they found one
“We believe we will offer in a year's time a complete cure for cancer.

A small team of Israeli scientists think they might have found the first complete cure for cancer.

“We believe we will offer in a year’s time a complete cure for cancer,” said Dan Aridor, of a new treatment being developed by his company, Accelerated Evolution Biotechnologies Ltd. (AEBi), which was founded in 2000 in the ITEK incubator in the Weizmann Science Park. AEBi developed the SoAP platform, which provides functional leads to very difficult targets.

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/A-cure-for-cancer-Israeli-scientists-say-they-think-they-found-one-578939

[KFC911]

I gotta see the suggested retail price first

[stealthn]

Anyone else thinking “I an Legend” ?

[GH85Carrera]

I really hope they have found the cure. It may (what ever it treatment is) be a cure for some cancers. I just can't believe it will "cure" them all. From my limited knowledge it is like curing the common cold, the disease is just so many different things. We all know of stories of life long smokers living to 100, and no one with any brains really thinks smoking does not cause cancer.

Let's hope they have the cure. I will not bet much on the fact that it is a universal cure, but I have been wrong before.

[Craig T]

I spent my entire career in the cancer business, first on the diagnostic and prognostic side, finishing in bioinformatics (tissue banking, tumor registry, antibody validation and development).

Every couple years some press released announces "A Cure for Cancer Found!". In the mid-90's angiogenesis inhibitors where "the cure". In the early 2,000s it was targeted immuno-onco therapies. Now I just laugh.

The press feeds us BS. Remember H1N1..WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! Ebola? Zika? MRSA? We're all gonna die! Y2K...HOARD CASH AND FOOD! IT'S GONNA BE ANARCHY!!! This story is just as real as those.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Rickysa

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/A-cure-for-cancer-Israeli-scientists-say-they-think-they-found-one-578939

It sounds fantastical...............

Why yes it does sound fantastical thank you for noticing that.

In contrast, MuTaTo is using a combination of several cancer-targeting peptides for each cancer cell at the same time, combined with a strong peptide toxin that would kill cancer cells specifically. By using at least three targeting peptides on the same structure with a strong toxin, Morad said, “we made sure that the treatment will not be affected by mutations; cancer cells can mutate in such a way that targeted receptors are dropped by the cancer.”

“The probability of having multiple mutations that would modify all targeted receptors simultaneously decreases dramatically with the number of targets used,” Morad continued. “Instead of attacking receptors one at a time, we attack receptors three at a time – not even cancer can mutate three receptors at the same time.”

I was thinking they found a cancer on/off switch but it's not that alone, they are set to kill off the existing cancer cells too.

I'm pretty sure this is how all the zombie movies start, going get some wicked mutations like it or not.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Craig T

Every couple years some press released announces "A Cure for Cancer Found!". In the mid-90's angiogenesis inhibitors where "the cure". In the early 2,000s it was targeted immuno-onco therapies. Now I just laugh.

Do you also laugh at current AID's treatments?

https://www.jpost.com/HEALTH-SCIENCE/A-cure-for-cancer-Israeli-scientists-say-they-think-they-found-one-578939

He equated the concept of MuTaTo to the triple drug cocktail that has helped change AIDS from being an automatic death sentence to a chronic – but often manageable – disease.

Today, AIDS patients take protease inhibitors in combination with two other drugs called reverse transcriptase inhibitors. The drug combination disrupts HIV at different stages in its replication, restrains an enzyme crucial to an early stage of HIV duplication and holds back another enzyme that functions near the end of the HIV replication process.

“We used to give AIDS patients several drugs, but we would administer them one at a time,” Morad explained. “During the course of treatment, the virus mutated, and the AIDS started attacking again. Only when patients started using a cocktail, were they able to stop the disease.”

Now, he said, people with AIDS are HIV carriers, but they are not sick anymore.

Here is why I think this might be real, it sounds like you may have to keep taking it, meaning there is big money in it.

If the economic model didn't work this would never see the light of day.

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by kach22i

Do you also laugh at current AID's treatments?

Totally different. The AID's treatments are disease management and suppression, not a cure. Antiretroviral therapy does not "cure" AIDs. It's simply a way to keep the virus at bay and prolong the patient's life. It can be very effective, but it's expensive and wonderfully profitable for the drug companies. It's when I hear the word "cure" that makes me laugh.

Just like with AIDs management, cancer immunotherapies, chemo therapies (cytotoxins), anti-angiogenesis, and drugs like Tamoxifen for breast cancer are also suppression and disease management. They are rarely a cure. In most cancers, chemo, radiation, and surgery for solid tumor, bone marrow transplants and chemo for hematopoietic cancers (e.g. Leukemia, lymphoma, myeloid), etc, put the cancer in remission, and a patient can have many cancer free years, but its often still relapse or metastasis of the original cancer that ends the patients life.

Big Pharma makes HUGE money on treatment and management of disease. The last thing they want is an outright cure (think insulin manufacturers and diabetes).

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Craig T

They are rarely a cure. ...... often still relapse or metastasis of the original cancer that ends the patients life.

Big Pharma makes HUGE money on treatment and management of disease. The last thing they want is an outright cure (think insulin manufacturers and diabetes).

I totally agree with you.

What is your opinion on this two week part?

“Our cancer cure will be effective from day one, will last a duration of a few weeks and will have no or minimal side-effects at a much lower cost than most other treatments on the market,” Aridor said. “Our solution will be both generic and personal.”

Does one have to take it every few weeks or is it a one day treatment, or a single treatment that takes effect in a duration of several weeks?

I really hate the way this is being presented and touted.

It smells fishy.

[IROC]

As I understand it, there will never be a "cure" for cancer. "Cancer" manifests itself in so many different ways that there really is no one "cancer". So, there is no one "cure".

Also, it seems like when one really understands what causes cancer (and I'm not one of those people) it is actually more amazing that we all don't have cancer all the time.

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by kach22i

I totally agree with you.

What is your opinion on this two week part?



Does one have to take it every few weeks or is it a one day treatment, or a single treatment that takes effect in a duration of several weeks?

I really hate the way this is being presented and touted.

It smells fishy.

How can it be a cure if the duration is two weeks? It's sounds so fishy that I didn't even read past the first couple paragraphs.

Cancer patients are easy victims. Something about a potential death sentence that really clouds one's judgement. Look how many go to Mexico for bogus treatments illegal in the US. Place like City of Hope bankrupt families and make mega-$MM's putting people through experimental treatments not approved by insurance that ruin the quality of the little life they still have. I get the experimental thing...that sooner or later one will work, but its not for me. If I get diagnosed with something like mantle cell lymphoma or pancreatic adenno CA, I'm taking the family to Tahiti for two months and then checking into a hospice with lots of GOOD drugs.

[sammyg2]

I figure they won't find a cure to cancer until a week after it puts me in the ground

But we can always go to Mexico for laetrile treatments!





LOL I'm thinking that half this crowd is to young to know what that is and the other half too old to remember.

[Noah930]

Originally Posted by IROC

As I understand it, there will never be a "cure" for cancer. "Cancer" manifests itself in so many different ways that there really is no one "cancer". So, there is no one "cure".

Also, it seems like when one really understands what causes cancer (and I'm not one of those people) it is actually more amazing that we all don't have cancer all the time.

That's my skepticism, too. Cancer isn't one disease. AIDS is one disease; eliminate HIV and you can cure AIDS. But cancer is a term for a bunch of similar diseases of cellular overproliferation--that happen due to a multitude of different causes. It would be impressive if there was one switch that you could flip to cure all cancers.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Craig T

It's when I hear the word "cure" that makes me laugh.

Don't laugh at 'cure'. Be skeptical or whatever, don't laugh.

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by IROC

As I understand it, there will never be a "cure" for cancer. "Cancer" manifests itself in so many different ways that there really is no one "cancer". So, there is no one "cure".

Also, it seems like when one really understands what causes cancer (and I'm not one of those people) it is actually more amazing that we all don't have cancer all the time.

The fascination thing about cancer is, it's not a virus, bacteria, or foreign body. In many cases it's simply our own cells dividing and multiplying when the shouldn't be, and they don't stop. Some our immune system recognizes as a problem and some it doesn't (asymptomatic). Metastasis is when the cells invade other organs or bone, or divide so quickly that they enter the blood stream during the tumors angiogenesis. Angiogenesis is the development of blood flow to feed the tumor.

You might have heard your great grandpa died of lung cancer or brain cancer, when he could have died of colon or prostate cancer. Sometimes they called it tumor of unknown primary. Often the tumors in the brain and lungs are really metastatic cells from another place that lodged there and continued to divide. Some characterizations we know the triggers (e.g. asbestos in mesothelioma, HPV in cervical and tongue and neck Squamous Cell CA), but in many we don't. We do know some are triggered by environmental exposure, but some are genetic predispositions, or viral triggers.

IROC has it right, they may find a cure for one or two types, but there are so many characterizations of cancer that there will never be a panacea cure.

[sammyg2]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Don't laugh at 'cure'. Be skeptical or whatever, don't laugh.

"Laugh" in that context does not mean that he finds any humor in it.
It is the same as saying skeptical, scoff, discount, doubtful.

And in that context he is justified in using that word, nothing wrong with it.
You can color me skeptical too.

[Craig T]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

"Laugh" in that context does not mean that he finds any humor in it.
It is the same as saying skeptical, scoff, discount, doubtful.

And in that context he is justified in using that word, nothing wrong with it.
You can color me skeptical too.

Thanks Sammy.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by sammyg2

.........laetrile treatments!

The Rise and Fall of Laetrile
https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/laetrile.html

[pavulon]

A cure would verge on miraculous...however, more often than not these claims come from people making and drinking their own Kool-aid. I started listening to a podcast about the Theranos debacle (The Dropout) yesterday...as pointed out in the first episode, Elizabeth Holmes and Bernie Madoff are pretty comparable in that they used ego, personality and deception as foundations for their billion dollar houses of cards.

[mrbeverlyhills]

Stock goes through the roof, insiders sell, reality bites a short time later, stock craters. Shock. Horror. Probe.
Hope I am wrong.