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Another possible fake 356 from Hollywood
A little less than the Seinfeld deal.
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/90210-brian-austin-green-sued-porsche He wants his $330k plus shipping and expenses back. However, he now claims in a lawsuit that when he shipped the car to Germany for authentication the experts there discovered that it had a forged engine stamp and he is now asking Green for a full refund of the purchase price plus repayment of all of the costs incurred to ship it around and have it inspected. Green has not yet commented on the suit. Last edited by BeyGon; 09-25-2019 at 01:39 PM.. |
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That is a pretty ridiculous ask. Maybe the difference between the numbers matching and not, but this is stupid.
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If I bought a numbers matching car and then it wasn’t why would I want - or be forced to - keep it? The buyer wants to be made whole. He hasn’t asked for punitive damages has he? |
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Wouldn't having Brian Austin Green as a prior owner make up for the difference in price between a matching and non-matching 356 Speedster?
On a serious note, with all the resources in the US, why would someone would ship a 356 all the way to Germany for authentication? Seems like a good PPI by a 356 expert would have uncovered that.
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Some people pay for and want a perfect car, maybe there was something else that made this guy suspicious and he sent it to people that could figure it out.
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I get it. It's like buying "art." It doesn't matter what it looks like, if it's got the right pedigree it's more valuable.
I don't have a signed original or print in my home. We have stuff we love and don't care who else values it. I'm proud to say my Speedster doesn't have the original hood (doors, 519 transmission, and deck lid do match) and the engine is a 912 Frankenmotor that effin' screams. I guarantee more grins per RPM than a 70hp matching numbers car. I get it. But those "matching number" people are missing out on a lot of fun.
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There are TWO people in San Diego who could have done that without the hassle of shipping to Germany! Seems to be a person with way more $$$$$ than common sense?
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If he wants to reverse the deal, that is less unreasonable, but he should have to pay for the rest of his expenses. He should have done his due diligence on the car prior to taking possession. If the seller is paying all those expenses, he is paying for the due diligence that the buyer should have done himself before doing the deal. As mentioned above, he could have paid someone local to look the car over, before taking possession of the car. It is not reasonable to ask to be reimbursed for shipping the car to Stuttgart for a PPI, it is ridiculous. If you bought a numbers matching car for a third of a million dollars, would you take the seller's word for it or hire someone in the know to make sure it was as advertised?
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The bigger question is A. Who pays that much for the speedster, B. Was Green ripped off first or just stupid?
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Did Mr Green pay $300K for it?
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He bought the car in 2017. It took him two years to decide he had to authenticate this car? God only knows what the buyer may have done to it in the last two years. There is absolutely no way the seller can be held responsible after two years in which the buyer has had possession of the car.
I have little doubt that the buyer did a thorough PPI through the most reputable of shops prior to signing the check. He would be a fool not to have done so with that kind of money involved. So, yeah - two years of ownership during which time the market went flat, if not receded significantly. He bought at the peak and got caught holding the bag, and now wants out.
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What a nutter. Can you imagine how much that would cost. If he was all about authentification he should have flown the German tech out to hollywood, given him a 3 day disney pass, and said do your best. AND he should have done this before he bought the car. |
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This scenario plays out often. Rarely is it heard about, unless it a Hollywood person.
It's a used car. If the seller bought a mis represented car. He should look at who sold him the car. Go back to the person who was after the quick buck. Cloned, re tagged, non #s matching, fake cars are an issue that we should all feel negatively about. If a car is bought under false info, while being sold under false info. It is 100% on the seller. Follow the fraud. Go after the one's who make their money on these cars. With that said, if you are buying a high end car, and don't have it authenticated, you are an idiot. This engine was re stamped. Someone didn't do their job when the seller bought it, or the seller was an idiot, who did the seller buy it from? Go after the scum bags who build and sell these cars, for a profit. |
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That's true and I agree.
But as Jeff mentioned, it was two years later and the buyer had all the resources to confirm that information before the sale. What if it was the buyer who nuked the original engine and faked numbers on the replacement? Now the market is down and he wants a free ride on the whole thing. |
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