The body positivity movement.

[Moses]

The “body positivity” movement is making me crazy. We have obese models on the cover of magazines embracing their bodies. The problem is that they are encouraging and promoting a lifestyle that is inherently unhealthy and highly associated with diabetes, heart disease and disability.
All people need to be treated with respect and dignity, but discussions of obesity need to begin with the understanding that obesity is an eating disorder much like anorexia. Anorexics likewise deserve kindness and dignity but with this problem, we all have an understanding that they have an unhealthy and dangerous eating disorder. Why do we not take the same approach with obesity?
It’s understood that anorexics need medical and psychological support and intervention, but increasingly obesity is actually celebrated with confidence. Why???
Hell, they even advertise “skinny jeans” for obese people. Insane oxymoron.

[speeder]

In a lot of the USA, the woman pictured would not be considered obese at all, just average. We are a very fat country. It's easy to forget that living in L.A.

[Gogar]

Feelings first, Mark! Truth second. Or even later.

[Zeke]

[Seahawk]

In my middle school in California in 1970/71, there was only one fat kid in the entire school, hundreds of kids.

I still remember his name, that is how unusual it was to be fat in those days.

As for the jeans, I imagine there is a lot of flame retardant chemicals mixed in with the Universal Dark.

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by speeder

In a lot of the USA, the woman pictured would not be considered obese at all, just average. We are a very fat country. It's easy to forget that living in L.A.

That's a fact. Whenever I'm in other areas of the US, I can't help noticing how heavy so many people are. Not hard to believe the statistics saying that nearly 35% of Americans are considered obese. It's especially noticeable at places that attract large numbers of people from all over, like airports, theme parks, or major tourist attractions. It's sad seeing so many overweight parents with their equally-overweight young kids in tow as well. In many cases, bad eating habits are being passed on from one generation to the next.

[fastfredracing]

Wonder if the weather plays into any of this. We get holed in here for 6 months out of the year. I always put a few pounds on over the winter, and I work my ass off daily . I cannot imagine what I would look like if I had a desk job .

[gordner]

Were you outraged when all the magazine covers were unattainably thin people who were equally unhealthy on the other end of the spectrum?

I don't agree with normalizing obesity either, but if you are looking to the media for body image assurance, you've gone off track already, "normal" will never be the popular look.

[speeder]

Originally Posted by gordner

Were you outraged when all the magazine covers were unattainably thin people who were equally unhealthy on the other end of the spectrum?

I don't agree with normalizing obesity either, but if you are looking to the media for body image assurance, you've gone off track already, "normal" will never be the popular look.

You are right about this.

[onewhippedpuppy]

Originally Posted by gordner

Were you outraged when all the magazine covers were unattainably thin people who were equally unhealthy on the other end of the spectrum?

I don't agree with normalizing obesity either, but if you are looking to the media for body image assurance, you've gone off track already, "normal" will never be the popular look.

Totally agree. As the father of a daughter I embrace some of the realistic advertising campaigns. My daughter is 11 and slim and athletic, but I don't want here to think that beauty equals either anorexia or obesity.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by Moses

...............lifestyle that is inherently unhealthy and highly associated with diabetes, heart disease and disability............

...........obesity is an eating disorder much like anorexia.

So you are saying that you know why so many people are fat, and it is their own fault because it is a lifestyle choice, correct?

My opinion, you are half right at best.

That list of afflictions is also associated with non-alcoholic fatty liver syndrome, our food chain has been poisoned, this is not a life style choice.

Roundup causes non-alcoholic fatty liver disease at very low doses
https://www.gmwatch.org/en/news/archive/17402-roundup-causes-non-alcoholic-fatty-liver-disease-at-very-low-doses

The new results demonstrate that long-term consumption of an ultra-low dose of Roundup at a glyphosate daily intake level of only 4 nanograms per kilogram of bodyweight per day, which is 75,000 times below EU and 437,500 below US permitted levels, results in NAFLD.

Regulators worldwide accept toxicity studies in rats as indicators of human health risks. So the results of this latest study have serious implications for human health.

NAFLD currently affects 25% of the US population and similar numbers of Europeans. Risk factors include being overweight or obese, having diabetes, or having high cholesterol or high triglycerides (a constituent of body fat) in the blood. However, some people develop NAFLD even if they do not have any of these known risk factors. The new study raises the question of whether exposure to Roundup is a hitherto unrecognized risk factor.

Glyphosate: The Weed Killer Found In Our Food & Water
https://www.alexfergus.com/blog/glyphosate-the-weed-killer-found-in-our-food-water

Due to the use of Monsanto's GM glyphosate resistant crops, farmers are now able to plant crops such as corn, cotton, and soy and spray entire fields with glyphosate. Killing weeds without damaging their crop.

Now back to the debate whether fat is beautiful, not to me but a friend of mine in incredible physical shape himself prefers fat women, his wife has a huge arse, and he loves it.


Eat some fruit and nuts and try and be healthy....................lots of luck with that.

DOZENS of Food Crops Treated with Pre-Harvest Roundup (it’s not just wheat!)
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/pre-harvest-roundup-crops-not-just-wheat/

Glyphosate use by farmers averages 70% or more for some crops. These include almonds, walnuts, figs, plums, prunes, grapes, kiwi, lemons, grapefruit, pistachios, and pomegranates....................

Consumers are increasingly alarmed by the monstrous rise in the use of glyphosate containing herbicides on food crops. In the United States, they are calling for testing of residues to determine if the levels are safe. Such testing is done for other agrichemicals, why not Roundup?

Unfortunately, until regular testing is done, we really have no idea how much glyphosate all of us are really eating. One thing is for sure: the more GMO and nonorganic food a person eats, the more glyphosate exposure is wreaking havoc with his/her gut environment.

We see a problem and want to blame the victim, this is a common occurrence and flaw in humans, it serves to distance ourselves from the problem and that is a way of protecting ourselves. We can do better than that, and we have to.

[Moses]

Originally Posted by gordner

Were you outraged when all the magazine covers were unattainably thin people who were equally unhealthy on the other end of the spectrum?

Absolutely. 20 years ago I delivered a beautiful, healthy baby girl to loving parents. At age 13 she became social media obsessed focusing on extremely thin models. I was part of the medical team that tried desperately to manage her anorexia. She died three years ago at the age of 17.

I have two daughters. I have always encouraged them to stay fit and eat well. They are not underweight or overweight. I remember when they were young and I saw a cover of Vogue magazine with an anorexic model on the front. I made a point to tell my daughters that the model needed a nutritionist and a therapist more than a photographer. Eating disorders on both ends of the spectrum are extremely difficult to deal with and can result in trajedy.

[Moses]

Originally Posted by kach22i

We see a problem and want to blame the victim, this is a common occurrence and flaw in humans, it serves to distance ourselves from the problem and that is a way of protecting ourselves. We can do better than that, and we have to.

Glyphosphate? Hi fructose corn syrup? Maybe. But it doesn’t matter, does it?

A few years ago when my doctor who is also one of my best friends told me I needed to lose 20 pounds I reminded him that I really didn’t eat very much. His response? “ I didn’t say you ate a lot. I said you ate too much “

Of course he was absolutely correct.

[Sooner or later]

I was watching one of the science channels that is not a science channel when they cut to commercial.

The first commercial was for "My 600 lb Life". They showed them hauling the heffer out on a gurney. Next commercial was for "My Big, Fat, Fabulous Life"

[cabmandone]

Not sure when the movement started but it would be better to tell women it's okay to be healthy. Plus size is a nice way of saying overweight. Maybe not in all cases but in most cases they would be overweight with a BMI above healthy levels.

[Norm K]

When we visit the War Department's family in Louisiana we often find ourselves reminding one another that we're not in Colorado anymore.

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[Zeke]

Originally Posted by gordner

Were you outraged when all the magazine covers were unattainably thin people who were equally unhealthy on the other end of the spectrum?

I don't agree with normalizing obesity either, but if you are looking to the media for body image assurance, you've gone off track already, "normal" will never be the popular look.

IDK about that. Casting in movies these days is a lot different than the early eras. Watching a Netflix series called "Designated Survivor" I saw a character that was a wheelchair user and by his movements it was pretty obvious he had a real motor skills deficiency or was a hell of a body movement actor. And what would be the point of that anyway if you can find a disabled actor of which I imagine that there are many.

Many 'fat' actors cast in serious roles that don't necessarily need that stature to make the character. I'm not saying we will ever tire of the Jenifer Anniston's but real world looking people are now the 'norm'.

[asphaltgambler]

Going to the local Wegmans or other places like that near me, can't help but notice young teens / early 20's girls who seem to all have 'pouches' above their belt line. Even ones that are in proportion. Can't help to think that young girls in the 70's / 80's would not have that. I'm old, I remember.

[scottmandue]

Problem is telling an obese person to eat less is like telling an alcoholic to drink less.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by scottmandue

Problem is telling an obese person to eat less is like telling an alcoholic to drink less.

From an emotional standpoint it's probably worse than telling a drunk to drink less. The overweight person is already aware that they're overweight but to be told that eating less would help tells them they're not only overweight but an over eater as well and it defeats them. Telling a drunk to drink less, they already know they drink too much.