LOL Rawnees, I was going in a different direction but I get it!

Joe Bob. We’ve both been on this board for a long time. We know each other. I’d like to think we built up a little credibility with each other. I have no dog in the fight of whether you believe in vaccines or not other than what I believe is the truth. I’ve done a lot of research. I’ve done a lot of work as a professional in the products liability arena. If I tell you something it is because I truly believe it from a professional and scientific background and want you to benefit from my knowledge and the science surrounding the issue. I sincerely want your children, nieces and nephews and any other children who you may have influence over to get all of their vaccines. Not because I’m some sort of shill for the big pharma industrial complex, but because it will save their lives. Children are dying, not ten miles from me because their parents refused to get them vaccinated. There is literally no documented risk for getting vaccinated but there is significant risk for children not being vaccinated. You might find it enlightening to do a quick web search on Ben Franklin and the vaccination for smallpox. You might be surprised and enlightened.

I agree with MRM, most of my family is RN, vas is a must.

So the MMR combo vax was first introduced in 1971, you can Google that too. Which means myself and a whole bunch of other folks on this forum, most all of the people I have work as well as social interaction with most likely all had the MMR vax. I work in healthcare, required to get the vax as well as a booster 2 years ago and show blood work proving it had been effective. As do again most all of the people I encounter in my work environment at a wide range of medical facilities across all or parts of 3 states. Out of all these people and all the childhood friends I had in public schools just like most of you - I don’t know anyone with autism. If this hoax really was true the law of averages says I would have encountered at least 1 person that could say I have autism because of being vaccinated. But no, no one, not a single one. Which is the same for most everyone in the forum, where is this epidemic of autistic people I ask? Apparently that can not be produced either, but I know you saw it documented on a screen and some rich person in Hollywood said its true. Please stop spreading this idiotic BS

Or perhaps you prefer that if not the MMR vax what if one of these medical idiots had said in the late 1960s that the smallpox vax caused autism. Would you like to have a far more deadly disease still circulating around the population because some fool with a video or a Hollywood celeb said. Measles is bad enough want smallpox? How about tetanus, ever see someone in ICU because of a treatable and very preventable condition? Why stop here how about polio, you can contract that disease as an adult. Want to stop walking because some dumb s*** said he heard a friend of a friend had a friend that knew someone’s kid got autism after getting vaxed? Yes countries still exist where you can get polio, go visit one and let me know if you see anyone with autism.

I didn’t watch the movie. But if what Joe Bob says is correct, that getting vaccinated is great as long as you get each one at a different time, what’s the harm? If it results in the kid ultimately getting vaccinated, and it lets the true believers sleep better, it’s all good.

The concern over vaccines and the misinformation spread by anti vaxers has actually helped prove the safety of modern vaccines. Why, because they have been researched, studied and tested over and over and have been proven safe by many scientists and researchers in many countries. The reason why so much mis-information exists is because more people are interested in reading Jenny McBreasts facebook, twitter, instagram, ect than reading CDC studies and medical journals. If I write a book about the effectiveness of vaccines, nobody will read it. If I write a book claiming vaccines will kill you, it will get traction. Vaccines now save so many millions of people from preventable diseases that it's boring to the general public.

I was a full fledged paramedic/LVN back in the early 80s.

The gay community was dying like flies. I saw a lot ODd from combo drugs. The potency quintupled or had a higher percentage of undesired side effects. This maybe apples and oranges but if there is a single vax that works and a suspected issue with combo vax drugs. I’ll live with the inconvenience of the single vac.

As a side note. Back in the day. Parents would deliberately expose children to measles so that they would get thru it at an early age. With less issues. I had all three before I was twelve.

My dad got measles in his thirties. It almost killed him.

Because if we discount real science in favor of hysteria, we might as well get all our information from the national enquirer.

Just watch the damn movie. My point will be obvious. I don’t consider it gospel but on the other hand I don’t see any credible rebuttal.

Come to your own conclusions. But don’t say “I heard” or “someone told me” crap. Speak and cite credible sources.

Um no...

We vaccinate for several ailments at once. I use Tasvax8 which is probably the most common 8 way vaccination used in cattle.

DESCRIPTION: One dose of TASVAX® 8 contains the immunizing antigens of Cl. chauvoei, Cl. haemolyticum, Cl. novyi Type B, Cl. perfringens Types B, C & D, Cl. septicum and Cl. tetani, with potassium alum adjuvant.
INDICATIONS: For the vaccination of cattle and sheep against diseases caused by Cl. chauvoei (black leg), Cl. haemolyticum (bacillary hemoglobinuria), Cl. novyi Type B (black disease or infectious necrotic hepatitis), Cl. perfringens Type B (lamb dysentery), Type C (hemorrhagic enterotoxemia), type D (pulpy kidney), Cl. septicum (malignant edema) and Cl. tetani (tetanus).

Others use various 7 way vaccinations which vaccinate against (you guessed it) 7 ailments. I don’t know anyone that can afford to vaccinate against one ailment at a time or want to put their animal through that stress.

Only on one occasion did we have a reaction with a calf.

It also doesn’t hurt to wait until a child is a year old before their first vaccination. This allows their immune systems to develop so that they aren’t fighting the vaccine while trying to develop their immune system.

Even the veterinary vaccine providers suggest waiting until a calf is 6-8 weeks old before their first vaccination for this very reason.

I always assume good intent Joe Bob, but this thinking is flawed. If you are genuinely interested in learning about how and why your brain is lying to you through logical fallacy (and why this film is presented in a way that takes advantage of how *all of our brains* are wired to believe this fallacy) I would recommend googling the phrase "correlation does not imply causation." Many people will cite the graph below as a shortcut to understanding this particular logical fallacy. If you do decide to read up on this one, I would suggest that the acid test for when you are beginning to "get it" would be a growing sense of anger welling up inside of you that these film makers have duped you into believing their data and therefore their premise. For real, this specific logical fallacy is so old school that it has its own latin phrase: post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this, therefore because of this).

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This is also not going to stand up to examination. If I have not missed something in your posts, your assertion is that the film is a credible source because it is available on Prime. You are going to die on that hill... I can self publish video content on Prime right now and so can you (take my word for it, I helped build some of this feature a few years back). I have no knowledge of the current policy for barring content, but back in the day things like hate speech were out but quackery like flat earth and lizard people was A-OK.

In the meantime, the barrier to getting your legitimate scientific research published in a major academic or medical journal is insanely high... just ask any academic or research MD. There is an absolute mountain of evidence contradicting the autism/vaccine myth, and it is as credible as you can get. The Lancet. New England Journal of Medicine. Pediatrics. JAMA. The CDC. You will not find a single credible source (which I would define as a peer reviewed study in any mainstream academic or medical journal) backing up the assertion of this film.

For your pleasure reading: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html (links to tons of real peer reviewed scientific research)

For beating the dead horse:
Taylor LE, Swerdfeger AL, Eslick GD. Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studiesExternal. Vaccine. 2014 June;32(29):3623–3629.

Schechter R, Grether JK. Continuing increases in autism reported to California’s developmental services system: Mercury in retrogradeExternal. Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2008;65:19-24.

Institute of Medicine. Immunization Safety Review. Vaccines and AutismExternal Board of Health Promotion and Disease Prevention, Institute of Medicine (National Academy Press, Washington, DC, 2004).

Hviid A, Stellfeld M, Wohlfahrt J, Melbye M. Association between thimerosal-containing vaccine and autism Cdc-pdf[PDF – 145 KB].External JAMA. 2003;290:1763–6.

Madsen KM, Hviid A, Vestergaard M, Schendel D, Wohlfahrt J, et al. A population-based study of measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination and autismExternal. N Engl J Med. 2002;347 (19):1477–1482.

Ball L, Ball R, Pratt RD.An assessment of thimerosal in childhood vaccines.External Pediatrics. 2001;107:1147–1154.

Joint statement of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the United States Public Health Service (USPHS)External. Pediatrics. 1999;104:568–9.

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Yep, they have GRAPHS, you got me, ain't no-one that can argue with a graph......



P.S. Correlation isn't the same as causation.

Kachi can prob post some graphs and links in this thread to back JB :)

In all seriousness, my sister is a PHD microbiologist and we don’t agree on a lot (think PARF) but we do completely agree on the idiots that don’t get their Kids vaccinated.

I have known Joe Bob on this forum for a long time. He is not a knee jerk reaction kind of a guy. If he says it is worth watching, I expect there is something there that needs examining.

I agree that vaccinations are important to society. I am not going to fall over backwards to say all vaccines are equally safe. It sounds like other countries may have already come to that conclusion. All studies aside, it seems weird to me that so many parents notice first symptoms of autism right after inoculations.

We should never stop pursuing the scientific method in examining controversial topics just because we think we already know the answer. It often turns out we don't know everything, simply because we want to be right, and because we are too lazy to change our perspective.

We should never stop trying to advance medical progress or improve medicines or treatments. Vaccines are a critical part of society. That doesn't mean we should stop examining them or become complacent with the current state of the art. There is a difference between evolution and revolution. The day we stop progressing is the day we start to fail as a species. Blind acceptance of the status quo is not how we got to the 21 century.

MMR - MRM? Coincidence? JK!!

My daughter is a pediatrician. The anti-vaxers make her job very difficult.

Edit - ok this thread is about doubling up on the vaccines and taking them all at once, not anti-vaxers. I just wanted to point out the MRM-MMR thing. :)

Depends upon the frequency of the correlation.

Now we know why you are a drooling idiot.

Never get in between a corporation and its pursuit of profit. There is lots of money in big pharma, where research can be bought. Look at the fiasco for sciences credibility over global warming.

Maybe the best thing to do is to proceed with caution using your own good judgement.


Unfortunately we have gone beyond 1984. You are being bought and sold as a commodity. Manipulated. One day you are being told eggs are bad for you. The next not so bad..who do you believe...trust? Let's try coffee, butter..maragrine is worse....lets just say that science offers no definitive answers as they are always changing as something new is learned.

Graphs worked for Monty Python.