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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 10384533)

Your virtue signaling "for the good of others" is flawed. Based on this line of governmental regulation for your own good:
-People who have more than one child are using up the Earth's resources and must be stopped.
-Fat people should be forced to eat less and exercise so that they don't tax the health care system (not to mention drive up the cost of food due to supply and demand).
-People who drink alcohol are hurting their bodies and increasing a likelihood of needing more medical care.

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Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 10384591)

Kinda like those who smoke tobacco or Canabis or those who vape?...

Add that to my list.

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Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10384621)

(gee isn't it nice that every human being is now fully categorized by the government medical system..)

Next the government will decide when you are too old to keep living or, not valuable enough to society to be cared for. Lets not provide life saving treatments to unemployed or those who are under the acceptable amount mental capability?
You smoked, you knew it was harmful, you don't get any healthcare.

Buck Rogers, THX 1138, Soylent Green, Planet of Apes, Last Man on Earth, or Walking Dead?

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Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 10384611)

You are so GD stupid i wish you would ignore my post.
Go get a life somewhere puss face

Adult much ?

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Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 10384607)

There is a lot of truth to this. I also think that many parents these days are quick to give their kids Tylenol and other over the counter drugs at a very young age for no reason.

I remember some very close friends of ours used to give their son Tylenol every night at bed time to help him get to sleep. My wife and I were mortified.

The boy is now ‘on the spectrum’. He is a smart kid but has difficulties. Was it the vaccinations, the Tylenol, other factors, or some combination thereof?

We seldom give our kids drugs and waited until they were 12 months old before they were vaccinated so their immune systems could develop on their own off of breast milk, etc. This is very similar to what the drug companies reccomend we do with our calves, why should it be different with people (breast milk or not)?

I suspect the reason he is "on the spectrum" is poor parenting.

I simply cannot believe that its is 2019, and we are actually talking about this.

One unvaccinated kid: $800k in health care cost.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2019/03/08/what-tetanus-cost-an-unvaccinated-child-57-days-in-hospital-over-800k/#25d9211a2b81

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Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 10384611)

You are so GD stupid i wish you would ignore my post.
Go get a life somewhere puss face

Whoa. Why do you even think your response was justified? He merely provided an educated theory with a first person experience.

Just a little news item

Portland, Oregon..

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unvaccinated-boy-almost-dies-of-tetanus-portland-oregon/

Portland, Ore. -- An unvaccinated 6-year-old Oregon boy was hospitalized for two months for tetanus and almost died of the bacterial illness after getting a deep cut while playing on a farm, according to a case study published Friday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It was the state's first tetanus case in over 30 years, CBS Portland affiliate KOIN reports.

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Originally Posted by wdfifteen (Post 10384586)

I have a friend who just retired from a career as a special needs educator. I asked her that same question some time ago. Her answer:
"30 years ago we just called them retarded. The difference is in the diagnosis and how granular we have gotten in identifying symptoms."

Yup, the kids who rode the short bus.

My son is on the spectrum.

Straight A student so he slipped through the cracks as just a quiet polite kid.

Only after having independent evaluations done would the school
District acknowledge he should have been receiving services.

It’s not always obvious what you are dealing with until they age some.

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Originally Posted by Por_sha911 (Post 10384698)

Your virtue signaling "for the good of others" is flawed.

:rolleyes: I'm not 'others' and neither are you or your kids or mine. Life expectancy hasn't grown because people were using hope as a plan.

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Originally Posted by stomachmonkey (Post 10384873)

Yup, the kids who road the short bus.

My son is on the spectrum.

Straight A student so he slipped through the cracks as just a quiet polite kid.

Only after having independent evaluations done would the school
District acknowledge he should have been receiving services.

It’s not always obvious what you are dealing with until they age some.

Interesting. Glad he got help. What was it that made you think he needed help?

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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 10384533)

Non-vaccinated sorts become infected then seek treatment at the expense of everyone. Not only financially when on the public dole, but in the form of avoidably and disproportionately soaking up healthcare resources that could be used for much less easily preventable or predictable situations as well as potentially exposing people who are health compromised in the general public and hospital. Further, a low frequency disease has less chance to mutate and so represents a lesser threat for future populations. This is just my from the hip opinion. I’d imagine there are more..

Seems that cost is about $800,000
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2019/03/08/what-tetanus-cost-an-unvaccinated-child-57-days-in-hospital-over-800k/#1b1fd762b815

Are there any studies/ statistics on autistic children that were never vaccinated.

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Originally Posted by Bugsinrugs (Post 10384920)

Are there any studies/ statistics on autistic children that were never vaccinated.

I’m sure I have asked this exact question on this forum before. A search turns up nothing. At the time, someone replied with an example of a non vaccinated kid with autism... or was it a study of the incidence of autism in vaccinated / non vaccinated people?

Deleted...

I wondered where that text message went...

Has one poster addressed the original question; why should vaccinated people be afraid of the non-vaccinated? The answer is that no thinking individual should be afraid BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY VACINATED. If they are afraid, it is due to a lack of understanding what vaccines provide.

The lack of critical thinking in this country is breathtaking. That goes for the people who automatically react to emotional crap on the internet which does not lead to further investigation to determine validity from credible sources (universities, accredited professional associations).

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Originally Posted by RSBob (Post 10385022)

#7,10 and 20 did bring up good points on the overall idea.

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Originally Posted by afterburn 549 (Post 10384611)

You are so GD stupid i wish you would ignore my post.
Go get a life somewhere puss face

Hahahah, wow.

W
T
F

Was AB's account hacked? Tourettes syndrome?

Some 8 year old somewhere is having quite the chuckle now, I think.

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Originally Posted by legion (Post 10384685)

I have three small children. I have given each of them Tylenol, but never "just because". The only OTC medications you can even give children 5 and under that I am aware of are Tylenol, Ibuprofen, and Benadryl.

I gave my 3 year old Tylenol twice and Benadryl twice this past week, but only because he had a severe cold and was crying from the sinus pressure. We called the doctor, discussed the symptoms, and the doctor confirmed that it was okay to administer and gave us a dosage. He got each once per day. We discontinued use after two days when his symptoms improved--he still has a cold, but the sinus pressure is not giving him headaches. We often go months without administering any medicine to any of our children.

Yeah, big difference between limited, controlled use (as above) and popping stuff like they are flintstones vitamins.

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 10384814)

Wow

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This child began developing symptoms six days after his accident. These included "episodes of crying, jaw clenching, and involuntary upper extremity muscle spasms, followed by arching of the neck and back (opisthotonus) and generalized spasticity," as described in the report. Then, he started having difficulty breathing, which prompted the parents to contact emergency medical services. To give you sense of the severity of his condition, he had to be airlifted to the hospital.

A six-year-old on a mechanical ventilator is not a pleasant sight.

Things got worse before they got better. The neck and back arching got more severe. His heart began racing. He developed high blood pressure. His body temperature went up to 104.9° F. He continued to have muscle spasms. These situations necessitated various different medications and 44 days on the mechanical ventilator.

Fortunately, modern medicine rescued the child. Tetanus can be deadly, with 13.2% of people who get tetanus not surviving.

All told, this six-year-old was in the intensive care unit for 47 days, other parts of the hospital for 10 more days (for a total of 57 days in the hospital), and then at a rehabilitation center for 17 additional days. This was expensive as heck, resulting in $811,929 in hospital charges, which is much, much more than a vaccine costs. This sum did not even include other costs such as the air transport that was involved in getting him to the hospital in the first place, the stay in the rehabilitation center, and the follow-up that occurred in outpatient clinics.

Just effing WOW!

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Oh, guess what. After all of this happened, after seeing their child go through this ordeal, after hearing the doctors explain the risks and benefits of the tetanus vaccine, the child's family still refused to allow their child to get a second dose of the DTaP vaccine and any other recommended routine vaccine. Obviously, over $800K in medical costs and seeing their child on a ventilator was not enough to sway their minds.

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Tetanus used to be a lot more common. Since the 1940s there's been a 95% drop in tetanus cases and a 99% decline in tetanus-related deaths. Why the decrease? It was in big part because use of the tetanus toxoid-containing vaccine became widespread and routine. Dropping vaccination rates may mean that this disease will make a comeback.

Boy oh boy! I sure hope the parents are forced to pay the hospital bill.