finding a european E28

[pavulon]

If one were to reliably find a euro BMW E28 with a manual trans in genuinely wonderful condition for importation into the US, how would one go about that? I'm not likely to be able to travel to Europe to see the car and am certainly not opposed to buying one already in North America but very, very much want to avoid getting burned.

[pavulon]

like this:

[speeder]

Not sure how many are still running around in southern Europe in good condition, seems like they would be just as expensive or more than here? Have you been to Europe lately? Cars from the early 2000s are completely obsolete in Germany and will not pass the new stringent emissions standards they have, (diesels mostly over there), I almost never see a car that old on the road. That car would be illegal to bring into the city of Paris during the week, maybe other big cities as well. They take the whole "green thing" really serious in Europe these days.

Anyhow, just like in the USA, most of Europe is a rust belt and the cars are schit after a few years on the road. anything nice would be from Spain or Italy, somewhere like that. I'd keep an eye on BAT, plenty of good e28s wind up there.

[petrolhead611]

Look on classic-trader.com.
Bear in mind that the majority of European the E28s will be the lower powered variants because insurance,gas and diesel are so expensive.
Get an inspection done on the car by an independent vehicle assessor.

[Won]

What's the reason for wanting a Euro E28?

In general, NA vs. Europe, anything remotely desirable or that has character will cost you accordingly. Start with an equivalent $$$ value, keep the number and just change the sign to €€€ or ŁŁŁ and that would be a minimum starting point, typically another 20/25% on top of that.

FYI the Umweltplakette business in Germany is much easier for petrol cars. Especially if the car is old enough to be registered as historic, then it's exempt from the whole thing anyway. Expect to pay top $/€ for anything like what you describe, not least because of their "TÜV" standards which does mean cars tend to be in much better shape that what's acceptable in NA.

mobile.de is a standard autotrader type site but a very good one. I imagine specialty and classic dealers list there too, and at least you can do some market research and know where to send your local contact to go see the car. Here is a relevant search result for you, I hope:

BMW 5er Reihe

Get this instead

[speeder]

I would just buy a clean, dry USA car and switch the bumpers to ROW. That’s the only conceivably advantage to euro cars, they usually have cloth interiors and roll-up windows, no A/C, etc. Most are low spec and rusty to boot.

[908/930]

Lots of nice 535i and 535is around.

[porsche356a]

Best bet is to convert a US car. The parts are reasonably easy to find.

Inspirational pics below...

[porsche356a]

[pavulon]

My perfectionist gene expresses itself when looking at euro bumper converted converted US cars just aft of the rear wheels. The US car "diving board" bumpers used a brace that ran through a hole in the quarter panel and perhaps a different rear valence panel. Like this



I'd like to avoid that.

[Sarc]

Originally Posted by pavulon

My perfectionist gene expresses itself when looking at euro bumper converted converted US cars just aft of the rear wheels. The US car "diving board" bumpers used a brace that ran through a hole in the quarter panel and perhaps a different rear valence panel. Like this



I'd like to avoid that.

I would suggest you connect with Ivo (user “Ovide” on mye28.com). I believe he is based in the Netherlands and has sourced and imported several E28s over the years with positive results. No personal experience, just a reference.
I presume you’ve heard of Ron Perry, or at least seen some of his creations. He would be a good contact should you decide to source a car stateside.

[pavulon]

Thanks Sarc! Was not aware of these people. Ron Perry's stuff does not suck!

[unclebilly]

A friend of mine had a blue one back in about 1995. It was a really nice car.

[porsche356a]

Not sure there is a valence difference... What is missing here that would be on a euro car?

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by porsche356a

Not sure there is a valence difference... What is missing here that would be on a euro car?

Am offering that from memory. There may or may not be a difference.

[908/930]

I just looked at mine, there is a 1 1/8 dia hole in there to pass the electrical wire for the side marker light that is on the N/A bumper.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

I see what you mean. Seems easy enough to fill with a bit of welding. If you didn't want to weld, use panel bonder with the same sheet metal plug.

[SoCal911T]

I did the ROW conversion about ten years ago. The U.S. valance has large holes for the bumper shocks that have to be filled along with the holes in the right and left quarters. Also, the ROW valance hangs a little lower and has a cutout for the muffler tips.

[dewolf]

I just sold a beautiful, genuine M535i for AU$12K. Had the original electric Recaro's, factory sunroof etc.

[porsche356a]

Interesting... There is no evidence of a hole or welding, but I'm pretty sure mine was not an import. Ah, 30 year old mysteries...