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93097004xx 07-01-2019 08:19 PM

Zymol
 
Recently I decided to wax my 930 with Zymöl..

I am entering a concours but a non judged entry.

I have never used the wax before but have heard so much about it. I want to try it but want to use it with the best possible results.

Anyhow pointers?

Those who have used it can you give some tips?

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93097004xx 07-01-2019 08:35 PM

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sc_rufctr 07-01-2019 08:51 PM

Yikes $$$$.... I haven't used that product but I don't think it would be much different from Swissvax etc.

In the past I've spent days correcting and finishing a car. Not so much lately.
"Lots of elbow grease"... Hard work but well worth it on the right car paint finish/condition.
Swissvax - It's best to warm the products before use. Just some hot water and let the product sit for a while. (not ABOVE THE LID LINE)

pwd72s 07-01-2019 10:48 PM

No matter what you use, be sure to leave a can of Turtle Wax and some rags nearby to confuse the competition. :rolleyes:

Back in the day, I was awarded a few concours wins. I tried Zymol carbon on my Irish green car that still sported it's original paint. I went back to using mostly Meguires products.

(edit) You might want to check this site out...
https://www.autogeek.net/

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93nav 07-01-2019 11:59 PM

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93097004xx 07-02-2019 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 10509758)
No matter what you use, be sure to leave a can of Turtle Wax and some rags nearby to confuse the competition. :rolleyes:

Back in the day, I was awarded a few concours wins. I tried Zymol carbon on my Irish green car that still sported it's original paint. I went back to using mostly Meguires products.

(edit) You might want to check this site out...
https://www.autogeek.net/

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I have other products but have been intrigued by zymol and their products for years..

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sc_rufctr 07-02-2019 03:30 AM

WTF? You have a lifetime supply there... Just hook in and start using it already.

93097004xx 07-02-2019 03:35 AM

Zymol
 
Wondering what the of level detail will be for the average entry.. Ive heard story’s of crying, fighting and entrants being asked to leave because of incorrect or nonfactory “aftermarket or reproduction parts” being present on a original car.

I know of one instance of this at a porsche concours and 7 to 10 at the ferrari events over the years..

Let me say that my goal is to get through the day and not have eyebrows raised..

I know concours judges tolerated 0 inaccuracies..

sc_rufctr 07-02-2019 03:50 AM

I don't know much about Concourse but I do know if you work really hard on your car you'll do better than most.

Clean is the thing. Que tips and time ;)

javadog 07-02-2019 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 93097004xx (Post 10509809)
Wondering what the of level detail will be for the average entry.. Ive heard story’s of crying, fighting and entrants being asking to leave because of incorrect or nonfactory “aftermarket or reproduction parts” being present on a original car.

I know of one instance of this at a porsche concours and 7 to 10 at the ferrari events over the years..

Let me say that my goal is to get through the day and not have eyebrows raised..

I know concours judges tolerated 0 inaccuracies..


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You say that you are in a non-judged class, so I wouldn’t be concerned with any of that. If it’s a big event, there will be rules and guidelines which you can read if you want to learn more about it.

The greatest amount of work in making paint look good happens long before you put the wax on, so I don’t think the choice of wax is all that big a deal.

I once spent a month getting a year-old car ready for a local concours event, I didn’t ever do that again.

R K T 07-02-2019 05:35 AM

Should have asked for opinions before you bought all of that.

Can you return it and get your money back?

Over priced and way over hyped.

PM me if you want.

stealthn 07-02-2019 05:54 AM

I haven’t used wax in years, switched to Zaino Brothers stuff and haven’t looked back. Way better than any wax I ever tried.

https://www.zainostore.com/

flipper35 07-02-2019 07:34 AM

My boss from years ago used Zaino on his car when he went to sell it. I have used some high end carnuba, but the results on his car were significantly better than I thought he could get.

I would do Zaino or look at ceramic if I had a car of worth.

Noah930 07-02-2019 07:52 AM

OP: you might get a better response to your question over on F-chat.

RWebb 07-02-2019 09:02 AM

what really matters is what you do BEFORE waxing

all waxes are just carnauba wax with some additives to liquify it - Zymol is over-priced, way way over-priced...

non-wax "waxes" last a lot longer, but you don't care about longevity for a concours

use a buffer (I use a random orbit sander with a foam pad)

a concours judge will look all over the car - places you did not know existed...

have fun!

Clint Lando 07-02-2019 09:20 AM

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pwd72s 07-02-2019 09:44 AM

For those who believe a clean car is spiritual...supernatural wax.

https://www.autogeek.net/natural-carnauba-wax-200.html

peppy 07-02-2019 10:27 AM

I used zymol exclusively on my 1993 Saleen. The car was non clear coated and I thought it gave the best results. The car did look greasy after the application, but after a few days I would get the car out in the sun and rebuff it and the shine just got deeper. Do not let the HD Cleanse dry on the car.

stevej37 07-02-2019 10:48 AM


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Jims5543 07-02-2019 10:49 AM

Here comes my dick post.


I would rather get a trophy for driving it than for it being parked.


That is now out of the way.

Have you considered a paint correction detail then application of Ceramic Coating? Makes the car look like it was just waxed, and a garage queen would look that way for years.

I did a Zymol applicaton on one of my cars 10+ years ago, IIRC it was a 3 step process with me misting water on the car between applications.

I think the newest tech out there now is beyond what Zymol is doing unless they have changed their formula and are using current tech and not riding on tradition.

greglepore 07-02-2019 11:39 AM

Zymol is just overpriced wax. As bad as multiple quotes of multiple pics

Bob Kontak 07-02-2019 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by greglepore (Post 10510412)
Zymol is just overpriced wax. As bad as multiple quotes of multiple pics

Bwa ha ha ha.

That is a pretty slick set-up in OP's garage, though. Not everybody is into full service. Detailing is not a crime.

If he couples the requisite work with the gear he has, more power to him.

I'll bet he has plenty ogling over his Porsche at the show.

chuckr 07-03-2019 05:35 AM

Wax is just a protective coating. The secret is polish ! I would recommend a good polish then a good glaze then wax. I looked at your very impressive detailing collection and did not notice any glazes. Your single stage paint needs it. It’s an age thing. The Zymol Glasur is for Porsche’s.
It was named by a guy in Austin Tx . Zymol had a contest to name that wax.
If you are looking at glazes, lots of good ones, right now I use a Chemical Guys glaze, I have had excellent results with 3M Imperial Hand Glaze. Good luck

93097004xx 07-03-2019 05:44 AM

I have 3 8.oz containers of zymol glasur

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rusnak 07-03-2019 05:56 PM

Agree with those who say stop focusing on the wax. It is the last and least important step.

I used to use Zymol until they were bought out by the Turtle Wax company.

The key is to learn all of the steps to clean and correct paint. Dry properly, and use pro-grade tools and techniques to correct paint without doing too much damage. Learn what type of paint you have (Single step paint, what type?) (Two step paint with clearcoat?, what type of paint). This is what determines your entire approach.

Griot's Garage has made a lot of information easily available to the amateur DIY guy. Spend some time there, and then watch a lot of videos on YouTube. Check this dude out too:
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sc_rufctr 07-03-2019 06:29 PM

^^ I really respect people like Larry. A young guy having a go at building and running his own business!

93097004xx 07-04-2019 04:44 AM

Zymol
 
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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 10512136)
Agree with those who say stop focusing on the wax. It is the last and least important step.

I used to use Zymol until they were bought out by the Turtle Wax company.

The key is to learn all of the steps to clean and correct paint. Dry properly, and use pro-grade tools and techniques to correct paint without doing too much damage. Learn what type of paint you have (Single step paint, what type?) (Two step paint with clearcoat?, what type of paint). This is what determines your entire approach.

Griot's Garage has made a lot of information easily available to the amateur DIY guy. Spend some time there, and then watch a lot of videos on YouTube. Check this dude out too:



I’ve seen Larry’s videos all of them.

He is really cool!

Zymol was never bought out by turtle wax..

Turtle wax simply bought the rights to label their high end wax zymol for a short time.

You can spend $10,000 on jar of zymol wax.

Most of zymols estate waxes run from $200 to $1000 which is relative bargain considering they are still the finest waxes the world over.

93097004xx 07-04-2019 05:46 AM

I’ve decided to start with zymol carbon. It is not a estate wax and is easier to apply than the estate waxes I have. I am a first time zymol user so not ready for the estate waxes just yet..

I’m going to paint correct first. I’ve never paint corrected this 930.. It was repainted nearly 10 years ago to the highest possible level with the highest cost possible..

Even by today’s standards..

The paint is deep and beautifully rich.

Light swirls and scratch’s are present if you look very close under led lighting.

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ckcarr 07-04-2019 05:58 AM

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Check this dude out too:
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That guy is the best. If you want to learn the right way to do this type work.

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javadog 07-04-2019 06:05 AM

Why do your headlight washer snorkels appear to lean outwards like that?

bkreigsr 07-04-2019 07:47 AM

If that car is Peru Red, you'd do well to forgo everything else on your shelves, and go with Plain old P21S. I've been 'full concours' for about 15 years, and never go home empty handed.
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93097004xx 07-04-2019 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bkreigsr (Post 10512572)
If that car is Peru Red, you'd do well to forgo everything else on your shelves, and go with Plain old P21S. I've been 'full concourse' for about 15 years, and never go home empty handed.

Bill K

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Beautiful 930 no it’s guards red. Your wheels look amazing. 76 or 77?


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bkreigsr 07-04-2019 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 93097004xx (Post 10512587)
Beautiful 930 no it’s guards red. Your wheels look amazing. 76 or 77?

'77 - the polished wheels came from the dealer like that.
('77 the wheels went to 16")
Bill K

R K T 07-04-2019 08:34 AM

Used to work for the company.

The OP has definitely “bought” into the hype and now seems to know all about it after asking for tips and advice after stating that he had never used the product.

You are not aware of what you don’t know.

93097004xx 07-04-2019 10:08 AM

Zymol
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by R K T (Post 10512624)
Used to work for the company.

The OP has definitely “bought” into the hype and now seems to know all about it after asking for tips and advice after stating that he had never used the product.

You are not aware of what you don’t know.



I’ve used waxes for 20+ years..

Never estate estate waxes..

Read reviews of zymol estate waxes on detailing forums..





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pwd72s 07-04-2019 10:22 AM

Your Turbo a repaint? Hmmm. When my old '72 left here it was sporting the paint done by the Porsche factory in July of '72. I was once asked who did the paint. I replied "the Porsche factory". He responded; "Gosh, it must have cost a bundle to ship the car there & back." A car is only original once...here it is, on the first leg of it's journey to a friend in Istanbul in July of '07.

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Zeke 07-04-2019 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bkreigsr (Post 10512572)
If that car is Peru Red, you'd do well to forgo everything else on your shelves, and go with Plain old P21S. I've been 'full concourse' for about 15 years, and never go home empty handed.
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If you've never cone home empty handed you've never read your awards.

It's concours (concours d'elegance) as in the French spelling for "competition of elegance"

Bob Kontak 07-04-2019 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by pwd72s (Post 10512740)
He responded; "Gosh, it must have cost a bundle to ship the car there & back."

Took me a little second to grasp that one. Ha!

That is a stunning looking vehicle.

Do you miss it or is it still too soon to ask?

Eric Coffey 07-04-2019 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 93097004xx (Post 10512373)
You can spend $10,000 on jar of zymol wax.

Most of zymols estate waxes run from $200 to $1000 which is relative bargain considering they are still the finest waxes the world over.

I prefer liquified Bald Eagle beaks. You have to kill quite a few to make a single 8 oz. jar, but man the shine is sooo worth it.

95avblm3 07-04-2019 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 10512136)
Agree with those who say stop focusing on the wax. It is the last and least important step.

I used to use Zymol until they were bought out by the Turtle Wax company.

The key is to learn all of the steps to clean and correct paint. Dry properly, and use pro-grade tools and techniques to correct paint without doing too much damage. Learn what type of paint you have (Single step paint, what type?) (Two step paint with clearcoat?, what type of paint). This is what determines your entire approach.

Griot's Garage has made a lot of information easily available to the amateur DIY guy. Spend some time there, and then watch a lot of videos on YouTube. Check this dude out too:
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Larry Kosilla is fun to watch and knows his stuff. I also enjoy watching Jim White over in the UK and am incredibly impressed with his work:
https://www.youtube.com/user/WhiteDetails


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