New To Me Truck

onewhippedpuppy · 07-13-2019, 07:05 PM

I've had my current 2013 F150 Ecoboost for 5 years now, and while it's been a great truck I've never loved how it towed my 29' boat and trailer. With a number of upgrades it never lacked for power, but is cooling limited on hot days and tends to get pushed around by my boat and trailer on windy days. When my little brother in law had his F150 totaled by hail in central KS, it all worked out for me to upgrade. So I picked this up in Memphis on Friday. 2008 F250 Lariat 6.4 diesel with 60k, super clean inside and out, TN truck since new. The thing looks amazing underneath, like a new truck. I freaking LOVE the diesel, I'll be doing the DPF and EGR delete soon to eliminate the two major issues associated with the 6.4. Also be doing Bilstein 5100s and upgrading the head unit to a new double DIN with Carplay and a backup camera. Overall I couldn't be happier.

onewhippedpuppy · 07-13-2019, 07:07 PM

911boost · 911boost's Garage

Nice!

I put the Fox adjustable shocks on my F350 Powerstroke and like them a lot. Made a noticeable improvement.

onewhippedpuppy · 07-13-2019, 07:13 PM

I saw the Fox option and like it, but they are way more than the Bilsteins. I've put 5100s on my last two F150s and have always been amazed at the difference. At 60k the stock shocks are totally shot, so I need to do something. The Fox might be better, but I'm sure the Bilsteins will at least be better than stock.

Geneman · Geneman's Garage

how much did you pay for the truck ? nice!

Baz · Baz's Garage

Wow! Beast-mode! Congrats, Matt...love the colour!

onewhippedpuppy · 07-13-2019, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Geneman

how much did you pay for the truck ? nice!

$24k. Exactly what I sold my F150 for.

Arizona_928 · 07-13-2019, 07:48 PM

Oh boy... A 6.4 powerstroke...

You must have not read up on these engines?!

I would sell it and get a 05/06 6.0. do the head stud/HG then delete...

911boost · 911boost's Garage

You are right, the Fox were more than than the 5100 or upgraded Rancho’s. I’ve got some off-road stuff from Fox and was happy with it so I thought I would give them a try. My crew cab with an 8 foot bed can get choppy on certain cement services, so being able to adjust them helped. I have 100k on my 2012 and have no plans to sell it.

Had a buddy with a 6.4 that had done what you are looking at doing, it was fast as hell.

speeder · speeder's Garage

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Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

Oh boy... A 6.4 powerstroke...

You must have not read up on these engines?!

I would sell it and get a 05/06 6.0. do the head stud/HG then delete...

I wish him the best w it but holy balls, I wouldn't touch a 6.4 w a 10-foot pole.The truck it came in was nice and it looks like a clean one but that engine made the 6.0 look like the strongest thing ever made.

Thoughts and prayer sent.

cabmandone · cabmandone's Garage

Matt,
Are you doing shocks for ride leveling or to smooth out the ride? Only reason I ask is I have air bags under my 2012 F250. The ride can be harsh running empty with 80 psi in the air bags when I forget to let the air out, but when I'm pulling a 10000# skid loader, the ride is good and the truck is level. (OOPS! read post 4... shocks are shot!)

BTW, come on guys! cut him some slack on the 6.4. He's addressing two of the known issues. Only one I know of after EGR and DPF delete is the radiator tending to spring a leak.

Good looking rig Matt!

onewhippedpuppy · 07-14-2019, 03:52 AM

It’s like the IMS, if all you did was read online you’d never consider any modern Porsche before 2009. I did plenty of research and talked to several diesel mechanics I know, the issues on the 6.4 are much easier to fix than those on the 6.0. I can delete the EGR, DPF, and retune for about $1000 and should be in pretty good shape. I won’t be running a performance tune, it has enough power already. Even the 6.7 apparently has its issues, as do the GM and Dodge diesels. My FIL had a newer Cummins 1-ton, he spent more than the purchase price maintaining that truck. Pick your poison.

Shocks are just to smooth out the ride, at 60k the originals are worn out.

fastfredracing · 04:20 AM

Oh man, nice truck. i hope your diesel buddies are right, my experience was not good. At 100k. I put 10 k worth of parts in. Both turbos roached, both heads cracked, the entire valve train was shot , done , worn out , ruined . The timing cover was eroded through from the hot egr gases . All of these parts $ made Porsche parts look cheap .
On top of the 10k I spent, I got the joy and pleasure of removing the cab , and it was one of the harder jobs I have ever done . All my cab bolts either spun the speed nuts up in the cab, or broke off. this was not a rusty truck
There is nothing easier about the 6.4. It was an absolute nightmare to work on . I had the cab off twice in 6 months .
My truck, was not towed with heavy ,or tuned just a daily driver before I bought it .
I did delete, and tune it when I had it apart,and I will say, after that, it was an animal. Super fast . I really liked the truck, but I was just too damn scared to own it long term I think the cab off thing finally pissed me off after the second time
Yours looks really nice, I hope you have good luck. Can you legally delete where you are at ?
Not technically legal here . I did it anyhow
Matt, I know you know your stuff, but I hope you either have good luck with it, or sell it before it eats your kids first few college semesters funding ,

cabmandone · cabmandone's Garage

You might want to look into the aftermarket radiator support.
Solving the Cracking Radiator Problem on the 6.4L Power Stroke

The later 6.0's were actually pretty decent. The head studs were updated. I kicked around buying a low mile 6.0 and "bullet proofing" it. To make a later 6.0 solid you just had to do the two things you'll be doing to your 6.4. I think you're going to be more than happy with the power and torque. Those things are a beast! Not quite 6.7L beast like but still...

Arizona_928 · 07-14-2019, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy

It’s like the IMS, if all you did was read online you’d never consider any modern Porsche before 2009.

It's a little more involved then IMS issue... The 6.4 PSD are known as huge turds with many many design flaws, and usually people that buy them don't fully read into the issues before plopping down the $$. that's why I bought cab's 7.3 PSD. By no means a power house as the 6.4, but I was not willing to spend the $$ on 6.7 PSD. Yet I bought a 6.7 cummins with G56 new...

Here's a post from the ole reddit about known defects of the 6.4 PSD.

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I bought a 6.4 and I still regret it. Where do I even begin with the 6.4?
The emissions controls reduce the engine life to 150k-200k max because of the way the regen cycle works. Regen is when the DPF has to clean itself, every few hundred miles. The truck injects fuel on the backstroke in 7 and 8 to get the exhaust hot and burn the soot to clean the DPF. The problem is that injecting on the backstroke washes oil off the cylinder, meaning 7 and 8 like to go dead after ~150k from wear. This also means you are getting oil mixed with diesel fuel, and when you change the oil expect to dump 1/3 diesel 2/3 oil. Which means bearings will die quickly.
The EGR cooler has a tendency to fail and if it fails it will hydrolock the engine while it is running and bend a rod. Plus fill your engine with coolant.
The water pump impeller eats away the cover and results in coolant in your oil. Again, this will kill your engine.
The valve seats are steel on steel so the truck will need a valve job before 200k.
The fuel economy is terrible thanks to the DPF and even with deletes isn't great. My deleted 6.4 with 94,000 miles gets 12 MPG around town and like 17-19 on the interstate...unloaded.
The radiators have a defect (especially on 08s) that cause them to crack at the seams which is unrepairable and the replacement cost for parts alone is almost a grand.
The turbos like to die because the regen cycle forces ~1300 degree exhaust gas through them. The heat eats the seals and can cause your engine to enter a runaway.
And lots more stuff. The 6.4 was only available for like 3 model years for a reason.

cabmandone · cabmandone's Garage

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Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

It's a little more involved then IMS issue... The 6.4 PSD are known as huge turds with many many design flaws, and usually people that buy them don't fully read into the issues before plopping down the $$. that's why I bought cab's 7.3 PSD. By no means a power house as the 6.4, but I was not willing to spend the $$ on 6.7 PSD. Yet I bought a 6.7 cummins with G56 new...

Here's a post from the ole reddit about known defects of the 6.4 PSD.

Hey man! How's that pig running? I miss it

My 6.2 gasser is okay but it's not the 7.3 when it comes to pulling.

BTW "The fuel economy is terrible thanks to the DPF and even with deletes isn't great. My deleted 6.4 with 94,000 miles gets 12 MPG around town and like 17-19 on the interstate...unloaded."
I'd LOVE to get that mileage with my 6.2. My blended average is about 11.

Arizona_928 · 07-14-2019, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cabmando

Hey man! How's that pig running? I miss it

My 6.2 gasser is okay but it's not the 7.3 when it comes to pulling.

BTW "The fuel economy is terrible thanks to the DPF and even with deletes isn't great. My deleted 6.4 with 94,000 miles gets 12 MPG around town and like 17-19 on the interstate...unloaded."
I'd LOVE to get that mileage with my 6.2. My blended average is about 11.

It's running really good. Rebuilt the front end, and bought a ZF6 assembly to swap in when the 4R100 takes a dump (which hasn't been yet!

). Installed a gooseneck and a transfer tank to haul with. But is mainly used as a back up truck now. Currently sits up in Northern AZ where I start it every few months when I get time to get back.

Something about these v8 diesels that are addicting. I6 cummins eh', but the V8's are nice.

cabmandone · cabmandone's Garage

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Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

It's running really good. Rebuilt the front end, and bought a ZF6 assembly to swap in when the 4R100 takes a dump (which hasn't been yet!

). Installed a gooseneck and a transfer tank to haul with. But is mainly used as a back up truck now. Currently sits up in Northern AZ where I start it every few months when I get time to get back.

Something about these v8 diesels that are addicting. I6 cummins eh', but the V8's are nice.

When I had the trans rebuilt at a shop in Fort Wayne, they installed a transgo shift kit in it. With that 6.0 trans cooler up front, you'll probably be waiting a while! Glad the old beast is still chugging along.

speeder · speeder's Garage

I have a 6.0 trans cooler on my 7.3 as well, transmission replaced by dealer @ 90k and it has 212k on it now. Doubt it’s failing anytime soon.

Arizona_928 · 07:15 PM

Oh I know. The zf6 was a splurge as I found a reasonably priced complete manual swap kit.
I haven't tuned the truck so I am sure that the 4r100 will last prolly awhile. The 7.3 is work horse. No doubt. When compared to my detuned 6.7 cummins they're reasonably compared torque machines. The front leafs of the 7.3 make it kinda crude, but reliable. I like the fact the late 6.0 have the upgraded front suspension, and leather interiors. The fact they have the reputation of 6.(oh no). Really makes them a steal especially when they get "bulletproof".

I've been watching those diesel days competitions on YouTube. Compared to all the brands a 6.0 psd wins a lot. The guy goes through a lot of transmissions.... But a 6.0 nevertheless. If I would get a light duty pick up the 6.0 would be it. However, I will stay out of the diesel pickup game. I can get a class 8 truck for peanuts compared to the bloated diesel pickup market.