So all those doctors are wrong, huh? Not to mention all the expert sources. All wrong. Only you are right. You're basically like tabs.

But the bigger question is why you cling to pedantic arguments instead of offering up a solution.

How do you propose we do this? Sounds like it will require a lot of spending on things like mental health--which Republicans always oppose--and education--which Republicans always oppose. Trump is gutting the ACA, arguing against insurance coverage for pre-existing conditions (there goes help for folks who need it most), and proposing cuts to Medicaid, where most mental health spending occurs now.

What will change?

Yes, they are wrong. They're going by observation and what they believe to have happened rather than physics. And for what it's worth, NOT ONE of the "expert sources" you have posted links to have said the .223 is "designed to tumble" as you have so ignorantly claimed it does. You'll notice in your most recent weak attempt to support your claim that the bullet is designed to tumble, both instances refer to "yawing" which IS NOT the same as tumbling. Yawing is essentially saying that the object changed its pattern or veered off course. I have said repeatedly that the bullet changes course upon entry. "Tumbling" is not the same as "yawing"

"Projectile weapons work by transferring kinetic energy to a target, which ripples out as a shockwave through tissue as the bullet plows through the body, leaving a cavity in its wake. The amount of energy a bullet radiates into a target is determined by a simple formula taught in high school: It’s the product of one half the projectile’s mass times the square of the velocity. The energy delivered to the target increases geometrically along with increases in mass, and exponentially with increases in velocity. The larger a projectile’s surface area, the greater its ability to transfer its energy to the target, instead of simply penetrating straight through."

What that means is, it is energy stored by the round being released into the target that causes the wound. As that energy is released into the target it creates a larger wound pattern. It is not "tumbling" that causes the larger wound, it is energy being released.

I have offered multiple solutions that would do more to prevent mass shootings. So far you have offered no solutions that would actually reduce the number of mass shootings or even the number of people killed or injured. So how about stepping up to the plate?

As I posted on PARF "bearing arms" thread
 

The reason why the bill of rights was written... Not so government can "protect" us...but to protect US from the government removing our liberty or property without first jumping through the hoops of warrants, arrests, trials, etc.

All the proposed "red flag" laws scare the hell out of me because they can tread heavily on the concept of innocent until proven guilty. There would be no due process. Say somebody gets in a shouting match with his wife...neighbor hears it, reports it as a red flag. Suddenly the knock on a door, his firearms confiscated, and he has to hire a lawyer, go through the system to get them back...isn't that declaring somebody guilty and then having to prove himself innocent?

In my opinion, you take away a mass murderers access to legal guns; he'll still become a mass murderer one day.

If someone is such a danger you don't want them with a gun; you don't want them with other objects I won't give ideas by naming. And they can also steal or murder to obtain a gun even if they don't choose deadlier methods than guns.

So a further more drastic step is needed of taking away not just their right to guns but their right to freedom.

That or turn down the heat on the kettle to where people aren't boiling over.

Someone's freedom has to be taken away if that someone is intent on being a mass murderer; there isn't a way around this. If you try to take everyone's guns away then instead of taking the freedom of a few you take the freedom of everyone.

The dilemma is that any legal measure will be a limit on at least one person's freedom. No matter what, powers can be abused.

Our best option is therefore to examine the factors in someone boiling over and use this knowledge to turn down the heat.

for corgi..
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At supersonic speeds air acts like a fluid.

Does the .223 tumble thru the air?

tumble, where do people get this stuff?
he has a mouse in his pocket

What do you expect, with the oiling the barrel talk.

Bull****.

You can’t make that claim without including the time factor.

Intellectual dishonesty is a waste of everyone’s time.

I don't see how anyone can believe a bullet tumbles through the air. The question seems always to be what happens upon impact. Fragmentation, an end flip or straight thru are the possibilities as I see it.

If the internal of a pointed bullet is solid it'll tend to go straight thru unless it hits bone. If there a void between the tip and the core I'm thinking it would have a tendency to flip. Kinda like your rear wheel trying to come around when you hit the front brakes hard.

Could the back to front flip be what is being referred to as a "tumble"?

The intellectual dishonesty has nothing to do with extra time Cho had. It’s the dishonest claim that there is going to be more wounded than killed when using a handgun rather than a long gun....

corgi's tumbles are kachi's point to point. dumb meet dumber.

To get a bullet to tumble it needs a moment. ...as in a torque couple. The axial spinning from rifling is intended to reduce any pitching/yawing of the projectile thru' the air. Once the bullet/projectile hits different densities (say flesh and bone) then a tumbling torque may be enough to redirect the inertia... the path and pitch/yaw. Albeit not by much, I suspect.

I put that picture up to show the mass and charge differences - that is where the big differences are. It's all basic physics, E=.5mV² ... Energy (of the bullet in this case) equals one half the mass times the square of the velocity.

Energy is the big player. The smaller round (like and ice-skater with arms in) is easier to induce a tumble, but so what... Energy. These things carry a shock wave thru the air and into what/who gets hit.

let's all chill out on guns and have some refreshing beverage...



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Well, a little tiny bit more than koolade alone.

^^^

It's always amazing how gullible people are, and what they will do to themselves and others, when it involves any sort of fairy godfather.

It will if the twist rate, and weight of the bullet are off. It will tumble and not stabilize/spin. Basic ballistics here corgi... Seriously. Go to the range. You will see first hand how ballistics work. even shoot some random stuff while you're there. Real life physics... Interesting stuff.

Also number 3 is M80a1. 7.62x51.... 308 with a steel penetrator....

Sir, it was purple drink...

Actually it was FlavorAid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavor_Aid

And also 909 people killed, not 919 as the meme above. Just can't trust interweb memes and pict's ;)

Oh, and I'd love to see a high-speed vid of a .223 round tumbling end over end, shot out of a rifle and thru the air.

Calling on Jeff Higgins.

What idiot claimed that...coorgi...maybe his mommy told him that..

I know which round I would select if I wanted to go on "offense"....and the spoon I'd select.
Most of mine are better defensive spoons and that's why I have them and for other reasons. Hunting is a different " game" entirely....jmho.