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Originally Posted by Eric Coffey (Post 10553058)

You are conflating rights with laws.

Not really. Rights come with limits too. When people exercise their right and the exercising of that right causes harm to others, that right can be restricted. That's not my opinion, that's the opinion of the courts all the way up to the highest court in the land.

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Originally Posted by fintstone (Post 10553081)

If you ban the sale of black rifles...then the folks that already have them will have a serious advantage in a gunfight. Doesn't that just make things more dangerous?

That would be condemned as overt racism anyway, FintIsStoned!!!

My rifles have wood. :D

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10553140)

My rifles have wood. :D

That's because you are always rubbing them down with sweet oil, ya' perv!!! :eek:

I prefer to call it "oiling the barrel"

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10553143)

I prefer to call it "oiling the barrel"

You gun dudes and yer phallic symbols - so kinky!!! :D

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10553133)

Racist Court...

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10552881)

The argument of "ban the AR-15" is also valid if we view this from a standpoint of the 2A being abused by people. Why shouldn't we ban it? People are abusing it.. right?

When you get to the afterlife and asked how you died you can say, "well I wasn't shot I was blown up."

I have no respect for your opinion because it isn't thought through...

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10553140)

My rifles have wood. :D

How sexist! :D

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 10553059)

What about paintball or Airsoft? Airsoft especially as it has realistic weapons and you are running around shooting each other, literally.

The kids and I go out and play now and then. It is good exercise. Most of the people I have played with were pretty well rounded. There was one pair the local youth pastor invited who were attending the local college on a track scholarship. They were from Chicago and it brought back some intense memories. Said youth pastor is now with the Border Patrol.

It still comes back to the mental framework in place.

If your mind is made up not to go out and murder people, a video game, or paintball, etc; isn't going to change that.

If you respect the lives and property of others, the games will be challenging engagement rather than practice to steal and kill.

I consider some of the anti-family ideology in many modern kids shows an perhaps many other "non-violent" media to be far more damaging.

The upshot, work on discipline from an early age. With discipline, a foundation is built for other things.
It is a good ingredient for success in life, both as self-employed or working for someone else.

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 10553038)

AGAIN... it would not be possible for a democrat, should they win, to ban a certain type of weapon. It would most certainly go to the Supreme Court where it would be tossed in a hot second. The action by the POTUS to divert funds towards border security is totally legal and in no way, shape, or form changes the constitutional powers of congress. That's a bull**** democrat talking point.

I haven't had a single supporter of expanded background checks explain exactly which of these mass shootings expanded background checks in their current form would have prevented. There is no proof that expanding background checks to include private party sales will do anything to reduce the occurrence of mass shootings. It's a symbolic gesture.

What is a "democrat [sic] talking point?" I'm going to guess it's something you've heard more than once. In which case it just might be a solid legal argument, as it is in this case. You got a better legal analysis, go with it. So far you just have emotional bullschit about what you wish the law was, because, let's face it, you are emotional about the gun hobby and you don't know anything about constitutional analysis.

Your objection to background checks is insisting on a 100%(p) of success. No other human endeavor insists on such perfection before implementation. Drugs are approved if they exceed a 50%(p) of success. Gun hobbyists seek to strangle any idea by insisting on a single idea that will solve everything--a patently unobtainable standard intended to kill progress.

The native Hutus are getting restless and fanning the fires..

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-08/hollywood-launching-satirical-movie-about-elites-hunting-killing-trump-supporters
"The plot

But don’t worry. It’s “satire.”

The violent, R-rated film from producer Jason Blum’s Blumhouse follows a dozen MAGA types who wake up in a clearing and realize they are being stalked for sport by elite liberals…

…The Hunt stars Betty Gilpin from GLOW and Hilary Swank, representing opposite sides of the political divide. It features guns blazing along with other ultra-violent killings as the elites pick off their prey. The script from Damon Lindelof and Nick Cuse reviewed by The Hollywood Reporter revolves around third-rail political themes. (Original title: Red State Vs. Blue State.) (source)"

They want to see a civil war break out. ^

Sociopaths and psychopaths need their entertainment.

^^^

Bad taste, poor form, and sheer stupidity is definitely bipartisan (not talking about you, Island :)).

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10552932)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/here-s-what-we-know-about-links-between-video-games-n852776

Well, it seems he did.

I know my reaction to my first semi-modern bloody video game.

"I would never want this IRL".

The mental and family framework is far more important.

It controls how you react to what you see.

People who play these games and later kill people, already had the mental framework in place to "go postal" prior to playing these games.

At least Trump is meeting about it instead of dictating; I wonder if they'll change his mind and rhetoric?

My advice to parents speaking as a gamer? The longer you can keep your kids engaged physically the better. Don't use electronic devices as pacifiers. If your kids have questions, work out answers with them, maintain inquisitiveness and problem solving. Teach your kids to persist to success.

Video Games are very useful, I learned a lot from the use of online games especially. An incredible world of people I may only know for a short while; a desire to win and inquire ability to rapidly recognize different ways people think and shift the way I act to get along. If I want to win, there will be people I disagree with on my team. To win, I have to work with them regardless.

The games are not the root problem. They can be a blessing. Do your best to build a healthy mental framework that seeks success and can move past failure.

At an early age direct control of yes this and no that is very good, builds discipline, an important part of structure.
But there comes an age where you have to promote inquisitiveness and finding answers; because you won't always be there to say yes this is good, or no that is bad.
Fail to do that, and as soon as they are out of your house they'll go straight for whatever you said no to.

Any videogame, violent, or non violent, can be bad or used in a way that is bad.
There is a lot of non violent content that is designed to be addictive rather than positive, that is bad.
Movies/books/videogames also will always be used by the creators for ideological preaching in some way.
At a young age I'd treat them no different than a neighborhood kid playing with your kid. Unless you are present, you won't directly know what that neighborhood kid is teaching your kid.

Man, it never fails to make me laugh to see how reactionary some people and entities are - did you see how ESPN has delayed airing coverage of some video game tournament and that Walmart has pulled displays for violent video games and movies? I guess people have to demonize something (along with guns and DT, that is).

Interesting collection of interviews with docs about the massive wounds caused by the tumbling of the AR15 round (also referred to as "yawing.")

Many factors determine the severity of a wound, including a bullet’s mass, velocity and composition, and where it strikes. The AR-15, like the M4 and M16 rifles issued to American soldiers, shoots lightweight, high-speed bullets that can cause grievous bone and soft tissue wounds, in part by turning sideways, or “yawing,” when they hit a person. Surgeons say the weapons produce the same sort of horrific injuries seen on battlefields.

. . . .

[B][B][B]Dr. Jeffrey Kerby, the University of Alabama at Birmingham.
He was formerly an Air Force surgeon.

Dr. Kerby will never forget the first victim of a high velocity bullet wound he treated when he was serving in the Southern Philippines 16 years ago. The soldier had been shot in the outer thigh. His first thought was that the wound did not look so bad. There was just a tiny hole where the bullet went in. Then he looked where the bullet had exited. The man’s inner thigh, he said, “was completely blown out.”

Later he came to expect the telltale pattern. “You will typically see a small penetrating wound. Then you roll the patient over and you see a huge exit wound.”

The high energy bullet creates a blast wave around the bullet. And the yaw can contribute to the larger exit wound. Striking bone can also cause bone fragments that radiate outward, cutting tissue in each fragment’s path.

“Then the bullet starts tumbling, causing more and more destruction.” Even a bullet that misses bone can result in surprising damage; as the blast wave travels through the body, it pushes tissues and organs aside in a temporary cavity larger than the bullet itself. They bounce back once the bullet passes. Organs are damaged, blood vessels rip and many victims bleed to death before they reach a hospital. Those who survive long enough are whisked to operating rooms, but often the injuries cannot be repaired.

“If they are shot in the torso, there often is not a whole lot we can do,” he said.

With a handgun, the bullets mostly damage tissues and organs in their direct path. Eventually, the bullets may be slowed and stopped by the body. Emergency surgery often can save handgun victims.

It seems that a lot of people really enjoy losing their shlt at any opportunity.

And politicians will be there to help the outraged sheople into the chute.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1565409509.jpg

^^^

I wonder how many more tweets ol' BC has left before he gets Epsteined?!?!

^^ Obtuse much? (@post 797)

Virginia tech murderer killed 33 with a 9MM pistol, wounded 17. Handguns are just as dangerous and life threatening.