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Rusty Heap 08-12-2019 01:24 PM

I've lived on 5 acres with not one neighbor in sight. heavy woods.


30 years. 5 acres.



You will see me on the news, when ever I need to move to a Cult-ill-sac.

Rawknees'Turbo 08-12-2019 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordner (Post 10556159)
This thread makes me glad I live somewhere where the absolute last thought in my mind is I may get shot. Insane that anybody going about their normal, outside of a warzone, day has a necessity to eyeball potential threats and exit routes for when the bullets fly, that is a pathetic way to live.

I pretty much agree with this (I do not equate exit plan strategizing with checking oil levels and tire air pressures, like Terv does :)).

I was in a Walmart Supercenter today in south Ft. Worth TexASS (a mixing pot of ethnic, age, gender, and "type" varieties - everything from redneck rampagers, to gangbangers, to emo kids, to obese hogs (male and female), to bent back elderly), and every person I looked at I evaluated for the possibility of pulling out a weapon and spraying the store. I shiit you not. It was so ridiculous on my part that I had to point and laugh at myself.

ramonesfreak 08-12-2019 01:32 PM

It’s got nothing to do with where your house is in relation to the neighbors. If you go to concerts, festivals, movie theatres, the mall, restaurants, Walmart.....you risk getting murdered these days. In this country anyway

Your safe in Canada not because you live far from the dangerous big city, your safe because it’s Canada.....the demographics, history and social and political climate has always been very different than the USA

island911 08-12-2019 01:44 PM

Like living in North Dakota.

Jims5543 08-12-2019 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordner (Post 10556159)
This thread makes me glad I live somewhere where the absolute last thought in my mind is I may get shot. Insane that anybody going about their normal, outside of a warzone, day has a necessity to eyeball potential threats and exit routes for when the bullets fly, that is a pathetic way to live.

+1


I am right with you brother, I never feel that way where I live.


I came home from a weekend away and realized I left the house unlocked and a side garage door open all weekend. Not a problem.

I have lived in this town 20+ years now, it is still huge news here if someone gets killed and the entire town will be talking about it for days. 2 years ago a guy got hit by a car riding a bicycle. It was the talk of the town for a week.

I cannot recall the last time there was a murder here. I do not think there even has been one, or a shooting for that matter. One town away there was some idiot in a Black BMW that did a drive by shooting on a house. Police were swarming everywhere, my son drove a black E30 at the time. He was pulled over and much excitement ensued when they found a box of 12 ga. in the truck he forgot to take out after going to the range.

When I travel to strange places (Like NYC) I am more on my toes mostly because I grew up in a place like that.

I am happy to have raised my kids in a place with virtually no crime at all.

Sooner or later 08-12-2019 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramonesfreak (Post 10556190)
If you go to concerts, festivals, movie theatres, the mall, restaurants, Walmart.....you risk getting murdered these days. In this country anyway

The risk of getting murdered at a Wal Mart is microscopic. They have over a 100 million shopper visits. A week.

Over 60 million attend concerts in a year.

Our perceptions gets skewed because we see overblown coveraage of each and every incident.

ramonesfreak 08-12-2019 02:17 PM

I realize that. I still go everywhere and do everything.

However, theres more to it. The atmosphere that gets created can really ruin the mood

I go to a ton of concerts. One recently gave me some very bad vibes...military looking cops with M16s all over the place....after paying $400 for tickets to be surrounded by that really sucked

For years after 9/11 the nyc subways were patrolled by military guys with machine guns. It’s nice that they are there but who wants to live like that. So, I left

Baz 08-12-2019 04:01 PM

I picked up some stuff from Walmart this afternoon and was there for about 45 minutes and not once did any shooting stuff even enter into my brain.

Am I too dumb to be thinking about this.....or just being Mick.....

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ramonesfreak 08-12-2019 04:07 PM

Ignorance is bliss as they say

Maybe I’ve gone nutty. I worry about my wife when she goes to church every Sunday. Sometimes I feel I should go in case I need to protect her

At some point you gotta just live, which I do. But it’s always at the back of my mind

stealthn 08-12-2019 06:34 PM

Unbelievably sad that this is the new norm....

onewhippedpuppy 08-12-2019 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10555592)
He knew all four of them. Cousin is a cop in Darwin. Not random attacks.

At the time of his arrest, the man, a suspected member of a motorcycle gang


Edit; Look I'm sorry for the rant but there are families that are crying themselves to sleep tonight because they will never, ever, get to speak, hold, laugh with and love those people ever again. It's fcukin' horrible. These people can't just be 'collateral damage' because of a right. Somethings gotta give man...for fcuks sake. It just makes me angry.....

Your arguments remind me of people in the UK being self-righteous because they have less gun crime. Sure they have more stabbings and people getting acid thrown in their face, but they have less gun crime so it's ok......:rolleyes:

What nobody outside of the USA will ever understand is that this nation was forged by the gun, and you can't put that back in the box. There is no reasonable scenario that will take guns off of the streets, we are talking about literally millions of weapons in legal and illegal hands. So if you increase enforcement and attempt to get guns off of the streets via law enforcement, guess what? You end up taking guns from the law abiding citizens who obtained them legally. Because common sense would dictate that criminals who obtained guns illegally will also not turn them in simply due to a law enforcement mandate. So what now? You have lawfully armed citizens who have been stripped of their ability to defend themselves, and you have criminals who still have guns. Not a really good situation, no? This is what we call Chicago, which is statistically one of the most dangerous places in the world. Not a glowing example of gun control effectiveness in America.

Rusty Heap 08-13-2019 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawknees'Turbo (Post 10556187)
I pretty much agree with this (I do not equate exit plan strategizing with checking oil levels and tire air pressures, like Terv does :)).

I was in a Walmart Supercenter today in south Ft. Worth and every person I looked at I evaluated for the possibility of pulling out a weapon and spraying the store. I shiit you not. It was so ridiculous on my part that I had to point and laugh at myself.


why the "glass half empty" threat assessment?



Trust me, it's WAY more fun thinking of having sexxx with all the MILFs in the grocery department. hang out by the cucumbers and bring up idle conversation.


much more fun to imagine if she's done: .......

masraum 08-13-2019 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10554187)
Different countries, different mentalities I know.....but that's fcucked dude. Fcuk living like that. My biggest concern at the shops is, "is the car gunna have a scratch when I get back". Couldn't imagine walking around thinking the worst may happen any minute. Sorry for you bloke. Must suck for the kids.

It's just really not as big a concern as the news makes it into (it's their interest to make as big a deal out of things as possible and get people excited/scared). I live in the third largest city in the US, and while I am generally an observant/aware person, I don't worry about it that much or spend that much time thinking about it.

It happens here more because we have a lot of people living here.

USA 330 million (#3 in the world behind China and India)
Australia 25 million (#55 in the world)

You've got about as many folks as the New York City metropolitan area spread out in an area that's not too far from the size of our whole country. (2.95million sq miles vs 3.53 million sq miles).

Quote:

The New York metropolitan area remains, by a significant margin, the most populous in the United States, as defined by both the Metropolitan Statistical Area (20.3 million residents in 2017)[13] and the Combined Statistical Area (23.7 million residents in 2016)
The same goes for Canada (slightly more people than Australia, but still only 38 in the world)

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordner (Post 10556159)
This thread makes me glad I live somewhere where the absolute last thought in my mind is I may get shot. Insane that anybody going about their normal, outside of a warzone, day has a necessity to eyeball potential threats and exit routes for when the bullets fly, that is a pathetic way to live.

Maybe if folks in Canada thought about stuff more these things would have been avoided? Sheisse happens anywhere that there are people. The fewer the people and the more spread out they are, the less it happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/29/americas/canada-murder-mystery-monday/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-shooting-fredericton-4-deaths-police-say-live-updates-2018-08-10/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/canada-dead-14-injured-toronto-shooting-180723051648349.html

Quote:

A man walked along a Toronto street repeatedly firing a pistol into restaurants and cafes, shooting 15 people and killing two before dying after an exchange of gunfire with police.
apparently not completely safe.
Quote:

Originally Posted by ramonesfreak (Post 10556190)
It’s got nothing to do with where your house is in relation to the neighbors. If you go to concerts, festivals, movie theatres, the mall, restaurants, Walmart.....you risk getting murdered these days. In this country anyway

Your safe in Canada not because you live far from the dangerous big city, your safe because it’s Canada.....the demographics, history and social and political climate has always been very different than the USA


flipper35 08-13-2019 10:21 AM

Going to our training right now. I am 100% positive they will not bring u pthe fact that most occur in "Weapons Free" areas.

Rusty Heap 08-13-2019 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 10557287)
Going to our training right now. I am 100% positive they will not bring u pthe fact that most occur in "Weapons Free" areas.





Pull a stunt on the instructors.

f with them

middle of the class, jump up with a banana, shriek


ALA TO ALL the veggies............and rush them with it.....




https://youtu.be/XnSeKHnB_k8?t=107

flipper35 08-13-2019 12:10 PM

It was a webinar so that wouldn't have had much effect, but we did have a veggie tray!

He did mention how many used weapons obtained illegally.

Rawknees'Turbo 08-13-2019 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap (Post 10557128)
why the "glass half empty" threat assessment?



Trust me, it's WAY more fun thinking of having sexxx with all the MILFs in the grocery department. hang out by the cucumbers and bring up idle conversation.


much more fun to imagine if she's done: .......

Ohhhh, all the wiminz I see (as long as they are not hogs, or so old that they suffer from bowel incontenance), get eye-fuuked by me to some extent! :)

Tobra 08-13-2019 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike80911 (Post 10554673)
My wife used to tease me that everywhere we went and sat down I had to have my back to the wall and a view of the entrance because of my training.

I have always done that too, but nobody trained me to.

dewolf, you watch far too much television

Seahawk 08-13-2019 12:41 PM

I carry an assortment of tools for different jobs, always done legally and safely, as I move about my day.

Odds are some of the tools I carry will never be needed but I prefer preparation against poor planning.

Locally I carry less tools. I bring more tools with me on extended trips.

Smile. Live your life as the Framers intended. I'll do the same.

Best.

flipper35 08-13-2019 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 10557151)
It's just really not as big a concern as the news makes it into (it's their interest to make as big a deal out of things as possible and get people excited/scared). I live in the third largest city in the US, and while I am generally an observant/aware person, I don't worry about it that much or spend that much time thinking about it.

It happens here more because we have a lot of people living here.

USA 330 million (#3 in the world behind China and India)
Australia 25 million (#55 in the world)

You've got about as many folks as the New York City metropolitan area spread out in an area that's not too far from the size of our whole country. (2.95million sq miles vs 3.53 million sq miles).


The same goes for Canada (slightly more people than Australia, but still only 38 in the world)



Maybe if folks in Canada thought about stuff more these things would have been avoided? Sheisse happens anywhere that there are people. The fewer the people and the more spread out they are, the less it happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Tim_McLean

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/29/americas/canada-murder-mystery-monday/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-shooting-fredericton-4-deaths-police-say-live-updates-2018-08-10/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/07/canada-dead-14-injured-toronto-shooting-180723051648349.html



apparently not completely safe.


When we were in Chicago a month ago I saw at least one kids with a pistol stuffed in his pants. I wanted to take him aside and tell him that it printed pretty bad with seat pants with the t shirt tucked in. Then I remembered where I was and kept walking. Just prior, they confiscated my EDC folding knife because the 2" blade was 2" over the limit for the Shedd Aquarium. None of the other museums had an issue with it. I didn't even remember I had it with me at the time.

Jims5543 08-13-2019 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 10557485)
When we were in Chicago a month ago I saw at least one kids with a pistol stuffed in his pants. I wanted to take him aside and tell him that it printed pretty bad with seat pants with the t shirt tucked in. Then I remembered where I was and kept walking. Just prior, they confiscated my EDC folding knife because the 2" blade was 2" over the limit for the Shedd Aquarium. None of the other museums had an issue with it. I didn't even remember I had it with me at the time.

Funny story. Last November I was in Austin Tx with my family, I had my EDC knife in my pocket.

We were going to walk into the Texas Capitol Building to o a tour. As we approached I saw a metal detector and guards and remembered I had my knife on me.

I started a chain reaction. I turned to my wife and said, I cannot go in, I have my knife. The couple behind me overheard me and the husband stopped in his tracks and started laughing, he had his knife too. He turned to his wife and said he was going to run to his truck and put his knife in there, as he said that, another dude stopped short and told his wife, he needed to go put his knife in his truck. Our rental car was on the other side of the town, I told my wife to just go in without me, she decided to just skip it.

flipper35 08-13-2019 02:29 PM

At least that one was a cheap knife, but my 9 year old boy was complaining loudly to them.

I should have just waited outside on principal, and it wasn't nearly as good as Scripts in SD. We took the L in from the hotel and I wasn't going to ride back. The one woman said just hide it in a bush. Sure, there are half a dozen buses out there with school kids on a field trip.

I don't know why they don't have a locker outside to put stuff in. It isn't like the TSA where you are flying off somewhere. There you are in and out in a couple hours.

My wife bought a Spyderco for me for my birthday to replace it. I bet I don't have to JB the scales back on the new one!

dewolf 08-13-2019 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 10557458)
I have always done that too, but nobody trained me to.

dewolf, you watch far too much television

Someones dead child is one too many. I know you have kids, imagine if it were you. Imagine they were shot and mortally wounded crying out for you while they are dying. Would they just be collateral damage to you?
That's the problem, it ain't television, it's real life.

Tervuren 08-13-2019 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10557717)
Someones dead child is one too many. I know you have kids, imagine if it were you. Imagine they were shot and mortally wounded crying out for you while they are dying. Would they just be collateral damage to you?
That's the problem, it ain't television, it's real life.


If you want to play that "imagine your son/daughter"... game, there are lots of scenarios that would argue against your own.

Imagine someone is stabbing children, a woman hears their cries but lacks the physical strength to overcome the rampager.
If only she had a gun she could stop more children from dying.

You aren't being rational here relative to occurrences.
What kills children in America? Unintentional fatal injury(Car wreck, drowning, etc...). Intentional self inflicted fatal injury is #2.

There are some neighborhoods in places like Baltimore and Chicago where homicide is a big factor, but these neighborhoods also have some the strongest anti gun laws in the country.

The people matter more than the laws on the books. Same city, different neighborhood, same laws; different crime statistics.

island911 08-13-2019 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10557717)
Someones dead child is one too many. I know you have kids, imagine if it were you. Imagine they were shot and mortally wounded crying out for you while they are dying. Would they just be collateral damage to you?
That's the problem, it ain't television, it's real life
.

Well, unless it's abortion, right? Would they just be collateral damage to you?:cool:

dewolf 08-13-2019 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10557924)
Well, unless it's abortion, right? Would they just be collateral damage to you?:cool:

Did I mention anything about abortion? what do know about my views on the subject?

dewolf 08-13-2019 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10557845)

Imagine someone is stabbing children, a woman hears their cries but lacks the physical strength to overcome the rampager.
If only she had a gun she could stop more children from dying.
.

Really? where's all the guns when these guys start shooting? It seems they are shot by cops all the time, who are supposed to have guns.

Ryan_Cunningham 08-14-2019 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10557970)
Really? where's all the guns when these guys start shooting? It seems they are shot by cops all the time, who are supposed to have guns.

“dewolf, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Heavy-police-presence-at-Walmart-Neighborhood-Market-in-south-Springfield-528602951.html

The Wal-Mart in El Paso had signage that "banned" permitted concealed weapons. A sign isn't going to cost me my life.

ckelly78z 08-14-2019 06:58 AM

I was in our local Walmart the other day, and noticed that the old men usually standing near the exits that act as greeters (who say hello in an attempt to acknowledge you, and keep you from stealing from being acknowledged/noticed) were replaced with some of the biggest employees I have seen recently. They were mid 30s guys about 6'4" 280#. This tells me they are taking an active approach to stopping idiots from testing their 2nd amendment rights.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-disturbance-at-missouri-walmart-said-he-was-testing-2nd-amendment-rights-prosecutors

Rick Lee 08-14-2019 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ckelly78z (Post 10558289)
I was in our local Walmart the other day, and noticed that the old men usually standing near the exits that act as greeters (who say hello in an attempt to acknowledge you, and keep you from stealing from being acknowledged/noticed) were replaced with some of the biggest employees I have seen recently. They were mid 30s guys about 6'4" 280#. This tells me they are taking an active approach to stopping idiots from testing their 2nd amendment rights.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-disturbance-at-missouri-walmart-said-he-was-testing-2nd-amendment-rights-prosecutors

I doubt it. All that's required to trigger a trespassing cite is for any employee to ask someone to leave. It could be an elderly greeter, it could be the manager. If WM wants people to not open carry in their stores, they probably need to post a sign at each entrance. No big and tough guy is gonna win by bringing fists to a gunfight. Any normal person would leave when asked. A determined bad guy certainly would not. I see people OC in WM all the time, not rifles, but sidearms. I've seen it in Costco, Sams, Safeway, you name it. It's legal and customary here. And those OC'ers are far more likely to help the good guys when the bad guys ignore "no guns" signs.

Sooner or later 08-14-2019 07:15 AM

A no carry sign could keep a panic from happening like we saw in Missouri. A no carry sign won't stop the guy that is set on shooting up the place.

ramonesfreak 08-14-2019 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10557970)
Really? where's all the guns when these guys start shooting? It seems they are shot by cops all the time, who are supposed to have guns.

I would love to shoot some bad guys in the head but I’m in New York. Good luck getting a carry permit in New York. I’m a law abiding citizen for the most part and am not going to carry a hand gun when it’s against the law

Another reason why I’m opposed to stupid gun laws

You must think the laws and culture are the same in every state. It ain’t so.

Back in the 70s you might see a shot gun hung from the rear window of someone’s pick up truck out in rural areas.

I haven’t seen anyone with a gun out in public in New York in 40 something years except cops and the one time I saw someone get shot in front of a corner grocery store in 1990

onewhippedpuppy 08-14-2019 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 10558299)
I doubt it. All that's required to trigger a trespassing cite is for any employee to ask someone to leave. It could be an elderly greeter, it could be the manager. If WM wants people to not open carry in their stores, they probably need to post a sign at each entrance. No big and tough guy is gonna win by bringing fists to a gunfight. Any normal person would leave when asked. A determined bad guy certainly would not. I see people OC in WM all the time, not rifles, but sidearms. I've seen it in Costco, Sams, Safeway, you name it. It's legal and customary here. And those OC'ers are far more likely to help the good guys when the bad guys ignore "no guns" signs.

Same here, saw an old guy with a shoulder holster and handgun in the hardware store last week. Barely even caught my attention, I only noticed because he had rainbow suspenders.:D

drcoastline 08-14-2019 06:13 PM

Every time I buy carpet from HD or Lowes they mis-place it when I go to pick it up and no one to be found that knows where to locate it.

fastfredracing 08-14-2019 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by drcoastline (Post 10559075)
Every time I buy carpet from HD or Lowes they mis-place it when I go to pick it up and no one to be found that knows where to locate it.

I know, un freaking believeable , I was there and watched the guy cut it wrap it, and set it on a cart. It was 10 minutes before closing time .
I came in about 30 minutes after they opened the next morning , and that same piece of carpet was no where to be found .
Hopefully, I can buy it as a remnant this week for half price when they find it and discount it.

drcoastline 08-14-2019 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 10559090)
I know, un freaking believeable , I was there and watched the guy cut it wrap it, and set it on a cart. It was 10 minutes before closing time .
I came in about 30 minutes after they opened the next morning , and that same piece of carpet was no where to be found .
Hopefully, I can buy it as a remnant this week for half price when they find it and discount it.

I can deal with an active shooter, "Serpentine shelly, serpentine. Why can't these places hire people that know how to locate my G-D Damn carpet? I mean really, how do you loose a 12'-15' roll of carpet?

ian c2 08-14-2019 07:10 PM

They’re probobly still all messed up from the training ...

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dewolf 08-14-2019 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan_Cunningham (Post 10558223)
“dewolf, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Heavy-police-presence-at-Walmart-Neighborhood-Market-in-south-Springfield-528602951.html

The Wal-Mart in El Paso had signage that "banned" permitted concealed weapons. A sign isn't going to cost me my life.

Oh fcuk off retard

onewhippedpuppy 08-14-2019 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10559139)
Oh fcuk off retard

Geez, and I thought the Americans were supposed to be the intolerant ones....

ramonesfreak 08-14-2019 07:54 PM

Humans are full of so much anger and hate. It’s no wonder at all that they kill each other over race, religion or video games


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