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Jims5543 08-13-2019 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flipper35 (Post 10557485)
When we were in Chicago a month ago I saw at least one kids with a pistol stuffed in his pants. I wanted to take him aside and tell him that it printed pretty bad with seat pants with the t shirt tucked in. Then I remembered where I was and kept walking. Just prior, they confiscated my EDC folding knife because the 2" blade was 2" over the limit for the Shedd Aquarium. None of the other museums had an issue with it. I didn't even remember I had it with me at the time.

Funny story. Last November I was in Austin Tx with my family, I had my EDC knife in my pocket.

We were going to walk into the Texas Capitol Building to o a tour. As we approached I saw a metal detector and guards and remembered I had my knife on me.

I started a chain reaction. I turned to my wife and said, I cannot go in, I have my knife. The couple behind me overheard me and the husband stopped in his tracks and started laughing, he had his knife too. He turned to his wife and said he was going to run to his truck and put his knife in there, as he said that, another dude stopped short and told his wife, he needed to go put his knife in his truck. Our rental car was on the other side of the town, I told my wife to just go in without me, she decided to just skip it.

flipper35 08-13-2019 01:29 PM

At least that one was a cheap knife, but my 9 year old boy was complaining loudly to them.

I should have just waited outside on principal, and it wasn't nearly as good as Scripts in SD. We took the L in from the hotel and I wasn't going to ride back. The one woman said just hide it in a bush. Sure, there are half a dozen buses out there with school kids on a field trip.

I don't know why they don't have a locker outside to put stuff in. It isn't like the TSA where you are flying off somewhere. There you are in and out in a couple hours.

My wife bought a Spyderco for me for my birthday to replace it. I bet I don't have to JB the scales back on the new one!

dewolf 08-13-2019 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 10557458)
I have always done that too, but nobody trained me to.

dewolf, you watch far too much television

Someones dead child is one too many. I know you have kids, imagine if it were you. Imagine they were shot and mortally wounded crying out for you while they are dying. Would they just be collateral damage to you?
That's the problem, it ain't television, it's real life.

Tervuren 08-13-2019 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10557717)
Someones dead child is one too many. I know you have kids, imagine if it were you. Imagine they were shot and mortally wounded crying out for you while they are dying. Would they just be collateral damage to you?
That's the problem, it ain't television, it's real life.


If you want to play that "imagine your son/daughter"... game, there are lots of scenarios that would argue against your own.

Imagine someone is stabbing children, a woman hears their cries but lacks the physical strength to overcome the rampager.
If only she had a gun she could stop more children from dying.

You aren't being rational here relative to occurrences.
What kills children in America? Unintentional fatal injury(Car wreck, drowning, etc...). Intentional self inflicted fatal injury is #2.

There are some neighborhoods in places like Baltimore and Chicago where homicide is a big factor, but these neighborhoods also have some the strongest anti gun laws in the country.

The people matter more than the laws on the books. Same city, different neighborhood, same laws; different crime statistics.

island911 08-13-2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10557717)
Someones dead child is one too many. I know you have kids, imagine if it were you. Imagine they were shot and mortally wounded crying out for you while they are dying. Would they just be collateral damage to you?
That's the problem, it ain't television, it's real life
.

Well, unless it's abortion, right? Would they just be collateral damage to you?:cool:

dewolf 08-13-2019 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 10557924)
Well, unless it's abortion, right? Would they just be collateral damage to you?:cool:

Did I mention anything about abortion? what do know about my views on the subject?

dewolf 08-13-2019 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tervuren (Post 10557845)

Imagine someone is stabbing children, a woman hears their cries but lacks the physical strength to overcome the rampager.
If only she had a gun she could stop more children from dying.
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Really? where's all the guns when these guys start shooting? It seems they are shot by cops all the time, who are supposed to have guns.

Ryan_Cunningham 08-14-2019 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10557970)
Really? where's all the guns when these guys start shooting? It seems they are shot by cops all the time, who are supposed to have guns.

“dewolf, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Heavy-police-presence-at-Walmart-Neighborhood-Market-in-south-Springfield-528602951.html

The Wal-Mart in El Paso had signage that "banned" permitted concealed weapons. A sign isn't going to cost me my life.

ckelly78z 08-14-2019 05:58 AM

I was in our local Walmart the other day, and noticed that the old men usually standing near the exits that act as greeters (who say hello in an attempt to acknowledge you, and keep you from stealing from being acknowledged/noticed) were replaced with some of the biggest employees I have seen recently. They were mid 30s guys about 6'4" 280#. This tells me they are taking an active approach to stopping idiots from testing their 2nd amendment rights.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-disturbance-at-missouri-walmart-said-he-was-testing-2nd-amendment-rights-prosecutors

Rick Lee 08-14-2019 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ckelly78z (Post 10558289)
I was in our local Walmart the other day, and noticed that the old men usually standing near the exits that act as greeters (who say hello in an attempt to acknowledge you, and keep you from stealing from being acknowledged/noticed) were replaced with some of the biggest employees I have seen recently. They were mid 30s guys about 6'4" 280#. This tells me they are taking an active approach to stopping idiots from testing their 2nd amendment rights.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-disturbance-at-missouri-walmart-said-he-was-testing-2nd-amendment-rights-prosecutors

I doubt it. All that's required to trigger a trespassing cite is for any employee to ask someone to leave. It could be an elderly greeter, it could be the manager. If WM wants people to not open carry in their stores, they probably need to post a sign at each entrance. No big and tough guy is gonna win by bringing fists to a gunfight. Any normal person would leave when asked. A determined bad guy certainly would not. I see people OC in WM all the time, not rifles, but sidearms. I've seen it in Costco, Sams, Safeway, you name it. It's legal and customary here. And those OC'ers are far more likely to help the good guys when the bad guys ignore "no guns" signs.

Sooner or later 08-14-2019 06:15 AM

A no carry sign could keep a panic from happening like we saw in Missouri. A no carry sign won't stop the guy that is set on shooting up the place.

ramonesfreak 08-14-2019 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10557970)
Really? where's all the guns when these guys start shooting? It seems they are shot by cops all the time, who are supposed to have guns.

I would love to shoot some bad guys in the head but I’m in New York. Good luck getting a carry permit in New York. I’m a law abiding citizen for the most part and am not going to carry a hand gun when it’s against the law

Another reason why I’m opposed to stupid gun laws

You must think the laws and culture are the same in every state. It ain’t so.

Back in the 70s you might see a shot gun hung from the rear window of someone’s pick up truck out in rural areas.

I haven’t seen anyone with a gun out in public in New York in 40 something years except cops and the one time I saw someone get shot in front of a corner grocery store in 1990

onewhippedpuppy 08-14-2019 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Lee (Post 10558299)
I doubt it. All that's required to trigger a trespassing cite is for any employee to ask someone to leave. It could be an elderly greeter, it could be the manager. If WM wants people to not open carry in their stores, they probably need to post a sign at each entrance. No big and tough guy is gonna win by bringing fists to a gunfight. Any normal person would leave when asked. A determined bad guy certainly would not. I see people OC in WM all the time, not rifles, but sidearms. I've seen it in Costco, Sams, Safeway, you name it. It's legal and customary here. And those OC'ers are far more likely to help the good guys when the bad guys ignore "no guns" signs.

Same here, saw an old guy with a shoulder holster and handgun in the hardware store last week. Barely even caught my attention, I only noticed because he had rainbow suspenders.:D

drcoastline 08-14-2019 05:13 PM

Every time I buy carpet from HD or Lowes they mis-place it when I go to pick it up and no one to be found that knows where to locate it.

fastfredracing 08-14-2019 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by drcoastline (Post 10559075)
Every time I buy carpet from HD or Lowes they mis-place it when I go to pick it up and no one to be found that knows where to locate it.

I know, un freaking believeable , I was there and watched the guy cut it wrap it, and set it on a cart. It was 10 minutes before closing time .
I came in about 30 minutes after they opened the next morning , and that same piece of carpet was no where to be found .
Hopefully, I can buy it as a remnant this week for half price when they find it and discount it.

drcoastline 08-14-2019 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fastfredracing (Post 10559090)
I know, un freaking believeable , I was there and watched the guy cut it wrap it, and set it on a cart. It was 10 minutes before closing time .
I came in about 30 minutes after they opened the next morning , and that same piece of carpet was no where to be found .
Hopefully, I can buy it as a remnant this week for half price when they find it and discount it.

I can deal with an active shooter, "Serpentine shelly, serpentine. Why can't these places hire people that know how to locate my G-D Damn carpet? I mean really, how do you loose a 12'-15' roll of carpet?

ian c2 08-14-2019 06:10 PM

They’re probobly still all messed up from the training ...

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dewolf 08-14-2019 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Cunningham (Post 10558223)
“dewolf, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Heavy-police-presence-at-Walmart-Neighborhood-Market-in-south-Springfield-528602951.html

The Wal-Mart in El Paso had signage that "banned" permitted concealed weapons. A sign isn't going to cost me my life.

Oh fcuk off retard

onewhippedpuppy 08-14-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dewolf (Post 10559139)
Oh fcuk off retard

Geez, and I thought the Americans were supposed to be the intolerant ones....

ramonesfreak 08-14-2019 06:54 PM

Humans are full of so much anger and hate. It’s no wonder at all that they kill each other over race, religion or video games


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