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What the hell is up with all the accidents in this war!!!
I am almost convinced this is the only way that IRAQ will win, by us killing ourselves. GEEZ.
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Difficult conditions, difficult missions, high tech machinery operated on the edge, along with men who are pressed to their limits. Would more combat casualties make you feel better?
Americans are being unrealistic in expecting the 'perfect' war. This IS war. I think it could be a LOT worse. Jurgen |
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I understand this is war and these soldiers are being pushed to their limits but damn,... stop, take a deep breath, and focus.
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Look at the 1000's of missions being flown everyday and as said under difficult conditions.....vs the relativily few missions that are flown in peactime.....
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i don't believe anyone has ever described war as safe.
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I suspect, that in the light of Iraqi troops luring US forces (with false surrenders) in to ambushes, that US troops will have a bit more "shoot first, ask questions later" approach.
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War is the most stupid of human activities. No wonder accidents happen...
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Murphy's 2nd Military Law:
No battle plan ever survives first contact with the enemy. More words of wisdom: http://www.specops.com/battle_M.html I wish the best to our troops out there, but War is Hell, and ***** happens.
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 We understand; you are french, and you are likely afraid of ending up on the srapheap of english speaking countries. The US, British, and Austrailia countries are just not worthy of your high French standards.  Oh wait . . .Yes they are! In fact any one of those countries dwarfs France in every positive aspect the French lay claim to . . . except of course for being hyper-rude! . . ..and on that; watch out! . . . Americans are very quick studies.
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Flight 93 was hi-jacked. When the passengers learned the intentions of the hi-jackers, the American passengers took the war to the hi-jackers. Aurel; was that war reaction stupid!?
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By my recollection, there's been far fewer friendly fire casualties in this war, so far, than in the early ground war stages of the Gulf War. Recall the incidents of Coalition aircraft firing on Coalition vehicles in that war? I think something over half the deaths in the Gulf War were from friendly fire.
Chalk it up to improved communications and identification equipment, and perhaps to the simpler task of an almost all-US force. But you'll always have accidental deaths and friendly fire deaths in war. 300,000 young men and women, with complex and lethal equipment, operating around the clock, surrounded by people shooting at them.
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I said, and I repeat out loud : WAR IS A STUPIDITY. And the living proof than makind repeats the same mistakes over and over again. Now, defending oneself when attacked is a different story. The passengers of Flight 93 probably defended themselves, and I would have done the same. I would kill anyone trying to kill me, but in the present case, the US is the agressor. Can you not see that ? BTW, no WMD have been found yet...and France said that if WMD were found or used by Saddam, it would come on board.
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Aurel, give war a chance. I suppose the coalition forces can look for WMD immediately (to satisfy the UN's agenda), but I'd rather see them neutralize the enemy first. France's primary, perhaps sole interest in Iraq is weapons sales and oil futures, so anything they promote must be scrutinized heavily. France does not want WMD to be found, for it would be a huge egg in their face.
I would really love to read these threads 6 months to 1 year from now. I would like to see how wrong I really am... As far as the US being aggressor, I view this as engaging the enemy on our own terms, rather than letting the enemy engage us on his terms (ala Gulf War in Kuwait). I wouldn't be surprised to see something with regards to this from Sun Tzu. Jurgen |
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I agree that France has oil interrests in Iraq. And so does the US. Why do you think the coalition forces are are already securing oil fields rather than searching for WMDs ? Because oil = money that the iraqui will need to pay the US companies that will rebuild the country. In a sense, by doing this war, the US is just stealing all the contracts that France already had. It is all about money. Not about WMDs, because North Korea could fire a nuke at California right now and poses a much greater danger. Freeing the iraqui people is just a pretext either, because there are many dictators in Africa that the US could not care less about...because they have no oil to sell.
All of that is not worth a war, because a war will not make the world safer, IMHO. I beleive Bush had enough work to destroy Al Queada, rebuild Afghanistan and solve the israelo-palestinian conflict. Now, if in six months the world economy is booming again, terrorism has decreased and a peacefull democracy develops in Iraq and Afghanistan, I will have been wrong and will be the first to admit it. Aurel
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It was not immediately clear what chemicals were being produced at the facility, but both reports said the Iraqis had tried to camouflage the facility so it looked like the surrounding desert and would not be spotted from the air.
Any chemical factory could potentially be used to make crude chemical weapons such as mustard gas. This is not enough of a proof to me yet...phD in chemistry speaking here. Aurel
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Chemical weapons will be found in Iraq, even if U.S. troops have to backpack them in.
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LOL ! I know...old cop trick...
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Fox news just saying that now, there is some doubt about this factory being an actual chemical weapons facility...
Geeeeshhh ! Even Fox news...
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