Jojo Rabbit

[Bigtoe32067]

I’m still waiting for Hitler on Ice musical that Mel Brooks promised years ago.

[Matt Smith]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Seems like you are being rather judgemental because some of us don't find the movie acceptable so you deflect your judgement on us. No one has said we should burn or ban the movie. I just find the trailer presented to be in poor taste and I won't support it.

As far as being Jewish... He may be a non-practicing, non believing Jew in blood line only. That doesn't legitimize poor taste. Rather that just makes him a schmuck.

If you find that movie to meet your tastes. Go for it. I'm not saying you are bad for finding it acceptable and I ask you to not judge those who thinks it is trash.

Well, Por_sha911, I will say you appear to me to be judgemental by calling the movie trash and the Director a schmuck, without having ever watched it. How is that difficult to understand?

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Seems like you are being rather judgemental because some of us don't find the movie acceptable so you deflect your judgement on us. No one has said we should burn or ban the movie. I just find the trailer presented to be in poor taste and I won't support it.

As far as being Jewish... He may be a non-practicing, non believing Jew in blood line only. That doesn't legitimize poor taste. Rather that just makes him a schmuck.

If you find that movie to meet your tastes. Go for it. I'm not saying you are bad for finding it acceptable and I ask you to not judge those who thinks it is trash.

It appears that you have created your very own fantasy world storyline to shoehorn this film and me into your preconceived narrative. You've eseentially created an entire movie about a movie in your head to comfort yourself.

That is fascinating. Introspection is your friend.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

I could be wrong but it seems Shaun has seen it.

Have you, or anyone else here, who is judging it based on a two minute montage?

yes, of course I've seen it, which is why I posted: Funny, clever, poignant, charming. Satire well done in my opening post. And looking forward to seeing again on Friday night. I think you would like it a lot.

The combination of very real ignorance and subsequent manufactured outrage over a trailer, and only a trailer, is very interesting and does not speak well to the future of our country where people are so easily manipulated by fake news.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

Trying to debate binary thought with directional thought is a lost cause.

You should know this by now, but you are a directional thinker and suffer that burden.

Rejoice in it.

Speaking of direction.
The way I looked at it was to draw a parallel line.

I looked at it trying to draw a line in modern times that would change the groups to something around today.
Now, the average age of reaching adulthood is higher now than then, so the major character of the film would be older.

I placed my parallel character into first year of college.

Now, what group in first year of college would have support from teachers, professors, and staff; what would this person go to in order to get my parallel direction?

There is one obvious movement that has support and even participation from non insignificant portions of academia.

Lets place our first year college student character as trying to be a "Good little Antifa Communist".

We could change his imaginary friend to George Soros.

We follow the misadventures as he taught to hate many different groups that the Antifa Communist hate.

Then he is faced with the knowledge that his mom has a young lady college student over as a guest at dinner that wore a MAGA hat. How does he deal with this?

He can go from this:



To someone able to accept other people and not be so illiberal like the vocal majority of the college students he knows.

Does the logic presented in that trailer really seem so bad?

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

No you did not say it was intended to be controversial but you certainly seem to have already come to that conclusion.

no

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

That is fascinating. Introspection is your friend.

Oh sweet irony

We judge the merits of a movie on the trailer you feel we misunderstand and are provincial simpletons. You judge a person you misunderstand and you are a philosopher.

GD you are an amusing little imp..

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by stomachmonkey

I could be wrong but it seems Shaun has seen it. Have you, or anyone else here, who is judging it based on a two minute montage?

I won't financially support something that I find offensive. If the intent of the movie was not as many have felt then why did the trailer give such a wrong impression? If you don't want to be misunderstood, you take time to make clear your intention. The trailer may simply be misleading but I suspect that it was setup this way to gain attention and they have succeeded to that end. Either way, I won't support it with my dollars.



p.s. With all due respect to anyone on this BBS, just because Shaun approves of the movie doesn't mean much to me personally. I chose to make my own decisions. Again, I am not condemning those that like the movie nor am I promoting a boycott. If you think its a great movie then go for it.

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by ficke

As a society we have become so prudish than before.

I must challenge your basic premise.
Our moral standards are looser than ever before. Things that would be considered inappropriate and completely shunned 50 years ago are not commonplace and considered normal.

[Tervuren]

What did you find offensive about the trailer?

I saw a boy without a father that created his own "Furhur".

He follows a delusion, and has a delusional system in place by teachers and instructors that help maintain it.

Then, the trailer shows his perception in conflict when he meets a jew.
The trailer also reveals his own mother would get in trouble for hiding the jew should the boy take the action his mental construct demands.

His construct falls apart because the jew was different than his dogma had illustrated.

He stops attending what he formerly attended, and the trailer ends with a statement that his dogma had lost.

What is wrong with that? Why is it offensive?

[Por_sha911]

Originally Posted by Matt Smith

Well, Por_sha911, I will say you appear to me to be judgemental by calling the movie trash and the Director a schmuck, without having ever watched it. How is that difficult to understand?

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

It appears that you have created your very own fantasy world storyline to shoehorn this film and me into your preconceived narrative. You've eseentially created an entire movie about a movie in your head to comfort yourself. .

The creators of movies put out a trailer to tell you what the movie is about. If they didn't want to give folks (not just myself) the wrong impression then they should have done better to present it properly. You only get one chance to make a good first impression. How hard is it to understand that people refuse to financially support something that seems to present something they find distasteful? If in fact the creators are making light of the holocaust then it is IMO trash and they are schmucks. Also, for reference sake, I have seen The Producers many times and love it because it clearly mocks Hitler without any ambiguity. I am not triggered by all things about the war, Germany or even Hitler. How many here have read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? I have.

Originally Posted by Tervuren

What did you find offensive about the trailer?...

First, I have not pulled the "I'm offended" card. I believe in freedom of expression even if I find it morally wrong. Why do I judge the movie? The trailer is its first impression they want me to have and I've already told you before:

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

it is morally bankrupt to have a fun film about a time of depravity and genocide.

Originally Posted by Por_sha911

Has anyone seen the movie? It seems to not mock Nazis but rather following the humorous miss-adventures of a young German boy trying to be a good Nazi...it also shows a lot of antisemitism.

I don't feel that it is necessary for me to defend my opinion. I stated it and that I won't financially support that movie. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine. We will have to agree to disagree. It is a waste of time to keep restating the same things.

BTW, once it comes out on TV and I can see it without financially supporting a questionable movie, I hope to remember to find this thread and either confirm or recant my opinion.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

oh my.

[Tervuren]

What I saw in the trailer was not mocking Hitler as much as showing how easy it is for people with a hollow in their life to fill it by taking up a bad cause.

I didn't see it put down the holocaust in the trailer.

Rather, the main character is effected because the main character's mother is sheltering a jew.

[sammyg2]

[sammyg2]

[Shaun @ Tru6]

3:28

[sc_rufctr]

Considering the frequent Swastika display will they be able to release the movie in Germany?

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-confusing-rules-on-swastikas-and-nazi-symbols/a-45063547

[ficke]

I saw JojoRabbit today, Great movie. Very rich with a lot going on. Like the trailer it mocked Nazis/Hitler and also had very point views on the times and what Germans felt and were going through. They got fooled and paid. There were hero's hidden every where, like in life.
It was better than I thought.

[ficke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYBJHBm7LKY

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Great interview, thanks for posting, here it is embedded. Glad you liked the movie. I'll probably see it a third time later this week. Second was better than the first.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by ficke

I saw JojoRabbit today, Great movie. ... It was better than I thought.

What did you think when you saw her shoes, and he tied them?