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wilnj 11-10-2019 06:09 AM

Porsche lodged into second story of building after crash
 
Porsche lodged into second story of building after crash, police say https://www.nj.com/ocean/2019/11/porsche-lodged-into-the-second-story-of-building-after-crash-police-say.html

Police are investigating how a red Porsche ended up on the second floor of a commercial building Sunday morning on Hooper Avenue in Toms River.

The vehicle is lodged into the second story of a building that houses four businesses, including a counseling service and a real estate company, Sgt. Vincent Pedalino said.

He said the building was unoccupied at the time. The sergeant said he couldn’t release any information on the occupants of the vehicle.

The crash, which occurred around 6:30 a.m., is currently under investigation by the Toms River traffic unit as well as members of the Ocean County Prosecutor’s Office.

Padalino said a crime scene is being established around the building, which is across from the Hooper Avenue Elementary School.

He could not release any additional information on the incident.

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billybek 11-10-2019 06:20 AM

"This car really flies!"

"How does it land?"


Sad that two people lost their lives. Looks like a Cayman or a Boxster?

wilnj 11-10-2019 06:26 AM

Happened at 6:30 this morning. Not a lot of details yet. A comment on FB mentioned police involvement in the crash which would explain tight lips until more is known.


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HardDrive 11-10-2019 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billybek (Post 10652418)

Looks like a Cayman or a Boxster?

Yup. The photo from the road shows just how far it flew. Must have been going well in excess of 100mph.

Jim Richards 11-10-2019 09:35 AM

That’ll buff out.

Tobra 11-10-2019 09:44 AM

I saw an RX-7 crashed into a second story window of a building adjacent to the interstate once, person got cut up but survived.

speeder 11-10-2019 10:54 AM

Stuff happens. Death sucks for the survivors but it's hard to get too wound up about a crash fatality when someone is going 100mph on a surface street and they die. I have a friend whose wife was killed w his kids in the car, doing nothing wrong at the time. Now that is tragic. :(

McLovin 11-10-2019 11:01 AM

That's nothing to be proud of, Rusty.

widgeon13 11-10-2019 12:26 PM

Happened at 6:30 AM, maybe a little alcohol involved?? Sad ending.

Looks like it landed upside down.

masraum 11-10-2019 12:36 PM

https://i.nj.com/resizer/pxRply6XlyN...6D7HQYXL6Y.jpg

https://i.nj.com/resizer/BjB8EP-Orz2...7F6R3SO7UE.JPG

speeder 11-10-2019 12:58 PM

Some kids must have left one hell of a skateboard ramp on the curb. This is a head-scratcher. :confused:

speeder 11-10-2019 02:30 PM

If that building wasn't in the way, they might have been able to monkey-roll that. At least that's how it works in the movies.

Tobra 11-10-2019 02:46 PM

Shiny side down when it landed. I guess with enough speed a curb will launch you pretty well. Sounds like nobody else was hurt, so that is fortunate I guess.

HardDrive 11-10-2019 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10652710)
That is amazing that the car got that much lift. Looks like it missed the one tree to the left of the trajectory but maybe there was another right in line and the car climbed the trunk? The road and curbing doesn't suggest a launch like that but strange things happen.

This.

It looks like there is a small oak tree that has been knocked down. No way that curb was able to launch the car that far, regardless of speed.

HardDrive 11-10-2019 06:09 PM

Oh the other hand, wft do I know? If the car was going a legit 150mph, there would some titanic forces going on, and the curb....who knows?

dewolf 11-10-2019 06:39 PM

Google earth the spot, and see if there was a tree there, that the car could have slid, up the trunk.

VINMAN 11-10-2019 06:56 PM

That's near me. That is a very busy main road. I'm on it all the time. Thankfully it happened early in the morning on a weekend. The driveway to that building has a little bit of a hill next to it , but it hit past that. It was just the curb. Think the car rode up it and pulled a dukes of hazard into the second floor.

speeder 11-10-2019 07:12 PM

By the width of the skid marks on the second roadway, I'm going to say that it hit the final curb going 80mph sideways. If the suspension was bouncing just right from the curb it hit a millisecond previously, that could have launched it into outer space. But the building was in the way.

Bill Douglas 11-10-2019 07:20 PM

When I was a school boy two friends, shall we call them Neville and John, were doing drifties and clipped a power pole. Somehow they smashed a hole in the upstairs office wall of Groombridge plumbers. AND walked away fairly much OK. The car they were flying at the time was a Datsun 120SSS. So not completely unheard of.

Rusty Heap 11-12-2019 06:57 AM

here is a view from Google Maps.



Those people were booking fast, and in a slow spin.



No ABS braking ? or they were slideways even before the first curb.



https://i.imgur.com/Dndwcwo.png

VINMAN 11-12-2019 07:14 AM

Accident I investigators are estimating around140.

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carreradpt 11-12-2019 07:26 AM

They flew off that road into that bldg.??? How the heck did they do that?

Adrian Thompson 11-12-2019 08:08 AM

Damn it was in there.
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.co...rip=all&w=1033

Rusty Heap 11-14-2019 06:23 AM

some details on this accident finally.



The kid had a dash mounted go pro camera which captured the night's events leading up to the accident. There was also video from the previous night of him speeding all over TR and Seaside Heights.



Counting down the seconds on the video, and measuring the distance he travelled between two traffic lights, the speed was calculated at 135 mph when he lost control.



As he spun out across 4 lanes of road, the car flipped and was going backwards on its roof. It was a convertible with a roll bar. The roll bar was pushed forward and down intruding into the back of the car seats



The car then left the roadway, into a drainage ditch, which based on its shape/curvature acted like a ski ramp. The ditch vaulted the car airborne. The car then cleared 75 feet of distance (in the air) before impacting the building at a height of 15 feet up from ground level.



A tire from the vehicle was ripped off, prior to impact with the building. That tire was vaulted 200 feet in a northerly direction and into the parking lot of a church which was north of the building he struck.



He was rolling with such violence the side view mirrors were found planted firmly into the ground (like a stake) in the ditch.



From loss of control to final rest, the vehicle traversed 125+ yards.



Everything I just described happened in less than 5 seconds.



Just a horrific wreck.



A few years ago, he had been stopped by us in a hopped up Mustang doing 108 in a 50. So a propensity to be a risky driver.

911 Rod 11-14-2019 08:13 AM

At 135 mph that sweeping curve turned into a hairpin.

pmax 11-14-2019 11:17 AM

At 135 mph, there's enough raw energy to scale a 10 story building by my estimate.

GH85Carrera 11-14-2019 11:23 AM

Speed does NOT kill, it is the unplanned sudden stop that kills.

The astronauts in the space station are going 17,000 MPH and have no problems. They have to slow down to zero MPH to be back on earth, and it takes a lot or generated heat to slow them back down safely.

bkreigsr 11-15-2019 11:58 AM

Today (11/15) from the Asbury Park Press;
The driver was not the owner.
The owner was in the passenger seat.

Bill K

Otter74 11-15-2019 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10657444)
Speed does NOT kill, it is the unplanned sudden stop that kills.

Not so much when you're not the one in the speeding vehicle:

https://nypost.com/2019/08/11/horrifying-video-shows-crash-that-killed-cyclist-in-brooklyn/

Bob Kontak 11-15-2019 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Heap (Post 10657055)
The car then left the roadway, into a drainage ditch, which based on its shape/curvature acted like a ski ramp. The ditch vaulted the car airborne. The car then cleared 75 feet of distance (in the air) before impacting the building at a height of 15 feet up from ground level.

This makes it clear. Thanks. I was struggling with the car traveling almost 200 feet in the air (google earth ruler) from hitting the curb initially after looking at masraum's pics in post #11.

I had a little Google Earth party before reading your post so I'll post the pics. The first pic is the drainage ditch ramp best I can figure. The other two are from where they hit the curb. I incorrectly assumed only air from that point.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1573859827.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1573859853.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1573859874.jpg

pmax 11-16-2019 07:40 PM

The inverted car with the sloped hood and trunk probably helped it bounce off instead of digging into the ground.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1573966044.jpg

svandamme 11-17-2019 07:03 AM

Either way he got real good air time, it's pretty impressive flying that far, without wings.

Noah930 11-17-2019 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 10660125)
Either way he got real good air time, it's pretty impressive flying that far, without wings.

Well, go big or go home.

john70t 11-17-2019 07:37 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1574008672.jpg

speeder 11-17-2019 07:54 AM

OTOH, who gives a schit? This is a lot of discussion about a traffic accident, even if it was unusual and involved a Boxster, which is a mass-produced car if there ever was one.

Tervuren 11-17-2019 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10657444)
Speed does NOT kill, it is the unplanned sudden stop that kills.

The astronauts in the space station are going 17,000 MPH and have no problems. They have to slow down to zero MPH to be back on earth, and it takes a lot or generated heat to slow them back down safely.

My personality, the "speed kills" things makes me eye roll.

What kills is pilot error and mechanical failure.

When one of those two happen, the initial velocities to deal with increase or decrease the risk of fatality.

A far better concept than speed kills, is to exhibit the forces involved when relative velocities terminate. A watermelon and a trebuchet can make a good example.

svandamme 11-17-2019 08:56 AM

you can get killed in a 0.1 mph accident just as guaranteed.

If you get between a ship and another ship, you gonna have a bad day just as well :D
nope, speed has nothing to do with it, it's mass that kills ya

john70t 11-17-2019 08:58 AM

Shouldn't that be force instead? (M * A)

A mosquito near the speed of light will go through anything.

Bill Douglas 11-17-2019 02:47 PM

Probably a suicide. Lots of car crashes are.

svandamme 11-17-2019 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john70t (Post 10660251)
Shouldn't that be force instead? (M * A)

A mosquito near the speed of light will go through anything.

Nooooo, it is still the mass of the mosquito that kills ya!!!
photons and gluons have no mass and go straight through at the speed of light,
and your'e just fine from it..

Speed, does not kill!
Anybody who says differently is a god damned liar .


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