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But think of all the millennials, and their "careers"...

Lotta folks are gonna have to change their majors too

Old 11-18-2019, 12:52 PM
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From a Google employee:

To clarify, this section is not about terminating an account because it’s not making money. It’s about discontinuing certain YouTube features or parts of the service, for example, removing outdated/low usage features. This does not impact creators or viewers in any new ways.
Thanks for clarifying. I remember when Google had a motto of 'Do No Evil".

However, Google/YouTube has been censoring content for quite sometime now and mostly for political leaning reasons and not because the content was against their guidelines. The platform has an agenda to follow. I do not wish for a North Korean Style Online Platforms. Freedom of speech, which we enjoy here thank you, is the cornerstone of our political system and once arbitrary rules decide whose voice will be heard than dissent is censored forever.
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Interesting how the cited article makes it sound like it's a pogrom on conservatives.
And that is entirely my fault...for what was to be just a PSA.

I grabbed a nearest convenient articular to describe the potential ramifications to many small creators/customers/viewers.

That does not leave out anything else, though.
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What about all the youtubers who embrace "#VanLife" ? Are they going to have to sell the van, and work in a factory ?
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If it is information coming out of Google, I have no doubt it is self serving.
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If it is information coming out of Google, I have no doubt it is self serving.
In other news, water is wet - film at 11!
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If it is information coming out of Google, I have no doubt it is self serving.
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In other news, water is wet - film at 11!
News flash: companies act in their own interests!
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Interesting how the cited article makes it sound like it's a pogrom on conservatives.
I was just watching some documentaries about Planned Parenthood.
(probably the ones which cost the director a $800k court judgement)

Youtube let me watch the first two episodes(baby parts and all).

Then on the third...
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1. Now that they've achieved majority market-share and dependency, I'm wondering if YT will become 'sign-in only' so they can track and sell individual viewer ad profiles like Facebook does?
When combined with Android, Nest, and other interlinked products, the company's ability to control and steer a person's complete online experience throughout the day would be complete. From start to finish.

It would be like 1995 AOL's own portal to the AOL Guided Web Experience(tm) all over again.
They provide everything and block what 'you are not supposed to see'.

2. Or will YT become 'subscription only' for full monetization?
That might create an outgoing flood.
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In other news, water is wet - film at 11!
Also dubious about the veracity of it, so what is the point of quoting Google about anything regarding Google.

It is known they lie about censoring content, among other things.

Seems like the market is ripe for a youtube alternative.
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But think of all the millennials, and their "careers"...

Many of these new-fangled careers earn more money in a month than most people here made in an entire lifetime.
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Seems like the market is ripe for a youtube alternative.
I'm switching over to metube...
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1. Now that they've achieved majority market-share and dependency, I'm wondering if YT will become 'sign-in only' so they can track and sell individual viewer ad profiles like Facebook does?
Moot point. You pretty much have to be a clueless hermit today to not have a Google account.
Google Docs, Google Drive, Google Keep, Google Groups, Google News, Google Maps, Google Gmail, Google Calendar, Google YouTube, etc.
Full integration across all devices, and with your mobile phone.
Literally thousands of dollars of software in exchange for a few (blocked) ads. LOL.
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I’d like to see a crack down on “influencers.”
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Old 11-20-2019, 03:59 AM
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"Influencers" are the Pied Pipers for the lonely eager eyeballs waiting for that next twitch.
Easy advertisement prey there.

Those shouldn't fall under the stated monetary goals, unless something else is involved.
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1. Now that they've achieved majority market-share and dependency, I'm wondering if YT will become 'sign-in only' so they can track and sell individual viewer ad profiles like Facebook does?
Cripes. Ten years ago I watched a vid on Charles Whitman and the Austin clocktower killings. It included info on Whitman getting killed and the second cop had a shotgun. I immediately started receiving ads on Rhino shotgun shells. I mean pop-ups on subsequent YouTube vids.

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Moot point. You pretty much have to be a clueless hermit today to not have a Google account.
Google Docs, Google Drive, Google Keep, Google Groups, Google News, Google Maps, Google Gmail, Google Calendar, Google YouTube, etc.
Full integration across all devices, and with your mobile phone.
Literally thousands of dollars of software in exchange for a few (blocked) ads. LOL.
Not sure what "a few (blocked) ads" means.............but we are owned. Edit: I can still watch my Neil Degrass Tyson and Kubrick vids.

Assimilation ain't that bad.
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Then on the third...
The third was age restricted. I bet someone(s) complained about this or that.

Terms of service change - I see that daily.
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Many of these new-fangled careers earn more money in a month than most people here made in an entire lifetime.
Those instances are extremely rare. According to several sources, YouTube content makers earn anywhere between $3 and $10 per 1K views, although that can be higher or lower in some cases. The average salary of a YouTuber with a million subscribers is around $57K per year.
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Those instances are extremely rare. According to several sources, YouTube content makers earn anywhere between $3 and $10 per 1K views, although that can be higher or lower in some cases. The average salary of a YouTuber with a million subscribers is around $57K per year.
It's actually an interesting dynamic. Youtubers who are good/funny/have hot-chicks-working-on-cars-in-shorts tend to get a lot of eyeballs. Tyler Hoover, who does Hoovie's Garage, is an example of an entertaining guy who has a lot of views and has a lot of subscribers. I don't know how well he's doing financially from it (he's also a writer for Autotrader), but he gets a lot of ad content delivered to me. I'll bet he generates a lot of revenue for google, but doesn't get paid what he is worth. He could bail, but his income stream would evaporate. So he takes what they are willing to give him. It is, after all, their sandbox he's playing in.
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Interesting question here: At what point, if ever, does a privately-owned enterprise become deeply enough ingrained in society that it should morph into something publicly controlled? At one end of the spectrum, we'd argue youtube can set whatever terms it wants to its service. At the other, we'd argue that youtube has become so ubiquitous in the business models of so many that they have detrimentally relied on youtube forever showing their content. It has become, in effect, like a utility, subject to regulatory oversight.

Complex question.
I think we should check with Wesley Mouch, he is generally right about these matters.

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