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jhynesrockmtn 02-21-2020 04:41 AM

I've been on multiple ferry rides in WA state and they chock the lead cars. All regular riders know the drill. Engine off, in park, e-brake on. Maybe with this short ride their procedures are different. Jeff may be on to something. Sorry for their families.

Pazuzu 02-21-2020 05:59 AM

I've been on the Fisher Island ferry, the only way to get your car on that thing is to be a multi-millionare resident of the island, or a guest, and guests have to be screened. I almost got bumped because my last name was misspelled on the intake form.
The only way on or off the island is by that ferry, any any resident would know what to do. Hell, they WASH the cars as they get off so there's no sea spray stuck on their Bentleys. The cars are essentially loaded by hand with attendants.

What I'm saying is, they probably don't care about things like chocks and nets because everyone involved is kinda an expert at it. Either her car broke, or she pulled it out of park while grabbing her purse, or she had an "incident" and didn't get it properly loaded.

Zeke 02-21-2020 06:55 AM

Some awful and shameful comment here. Not surprised.

Very sad these ladies had to die this way regardless of fault.

sammyg2 02-21-2020 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 10759553)
Driver was to stupid to live
Ferry operators should know such drivers exist and act accordingly

Harsh, but accurate.
People who operate motor vehicles should be expected to operate them in a reasonably competent manner.
But no amount of chocks, guard rails, or other means can completely fix stupid.

PS I find no shame in being honest.

asphaltgambler 02-21-2020 10:36 AM

Was thinking that the divers that recovered the bodies would look to see what position the gear was ever was in?

greglepore 02-21-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10759776)
Some awful and shameful comment here. Not surprised.

Very sad these ladies had to die this way regardless of fault.

Yeah, really. People need to step back and think. Those were somebodies family.

Whoever posted the "too stupid to live" crap really need to take a step back and examine their emotional intelligence.

RWebb 02-21-2020 10:47 AM

https://www.fisherislandclub.com/transportation

masraum 02-21-2020 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 10759877)
Harsh, but accurate.
People who operate motor vehicles should be expected to operate them in a reasonably competent manner.
But no amount of chocks, guard rails, or other means can completely fix stupid.

PS I find no shame in being honest.

I agree, but I also think it's possible to be honest without being disrespectful. I know that there are some folks that have different ideas about being able to be honest period, and other folks that that are unconcerned about being respectful.

URY914 02-21-2020 11:57 AM

How many lawyers were injured trying to get to the accident scene?

gtc 02-21-2020 02:13 PM

At least these ladies didn't take anyone else with them. On our ferries here in Washington, there are often people standing at the ends of the car deck enjoying the view out over the water.

flatbutt 02-21-2020 03:21 PM

Am I reading this correctly? The car was running and in gear?

Rick Lee 02-21-2020 03:42 PM

I've driven onto lots of ferries in the US and Europe. That's one activity where I follow instructions to the letter, pay attention to the folks in the yellow vests and don't get distracted until everything is extra secure and done moving. Heavy, moving objects and deep water make for an unforgiving environment.

unclebilly 02-22-2020 12:27 AM

Hmmm. Newer Mercedes?

I bet it had start / stop technology. She pulled on. Stepped on the brake, the engine stopped and presumably shut off the engine. I imagine the car put on the brakes.

She either took her foot off the brake or stepped on the gas and it fired up and drove off the boat, just like it would have if she was pulling away from a traffic light that turned green. A wheel chock or net wouldn’t have prevented this.

sc_rufctr 02-22-2020 01:05 AM

The Coast Guard is investigating how the car fell from the ferry, but sources familiar with the investigation told the Herald they believe Afra forgot to put the car in park and hit the gas pedal by accident when it began to roll, accelerating through a barrier and into the water.

The ferry was underway and her car was still running? I find that highly unlikely.

According to the linked story she must have left it in Drive and hit the gas when it rolled. OK I get that!
Yet the other cars are facing the rear of the ferry? Was her car also facing the rear of the ferry?
And if it was why was it in Drive after being Reversed onto the boat? Did she put it in Drive instead of Park?

oldE 02-22-2020 03:04 AM

Peter, the ferry is a double ender. You drive straight on one end and drive off the other. The pilot can operate the boat in either direction.
We have similar craft but because of the extreme tides in the Bay of Fundy the vessels have big ramps on either end. You aren't driving up those.
I'm guessing the theory of 'start -stop' technology may have contributed. Either way, the vehicle was in gear and the brake was not applied. Some mistakes you don't get to say "Sorry "for.

Best
Les

URY914 02-22-2020 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 10760584)
Hmmm. Newer Mercedes?

I bet it had start / stop technology. She pulled on. Stepped on the brake, the engine stopped and presumably shut off the engine. I imagine the car put on the brakes.

She either took her foot off the brake or stepped on the gas and it fired up and drove off the boat, just like it would have if she was pulling away from a traffic light that turned green. A wheel chock or net wouldn’t have prevented this.

Agree

jhynesrockmtn 02-22-2020 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 10760584)
Hmmm. Newer Mercedes?

I bet it had start / stop technology. She pulled on. Stepped on the brake, the engine stopped and presumably shut off the engine. I imagine the car put on the brakes.

She either took her foot off the brake or stepped on the gas and it fired up and drove off the boat, just like it would have if she was pulling away from a traffic light that turned green. A wheel chock or net wouldn’t have prevented this.

That would be an interesting twist. I'm not sure it would work for that time period? Our Macan has it. The worst, most gimmicky bit of technology. My wife keeps it turned off.

group911@aol.co 02-22-2020 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wildthing (Post 10759138)
Terrible tragedy then, but could've been prevented. Put it in Park at least, and better yet, turn off the engine, remove the key (forces Park in newer cars), and pull the hand brake/press the e-brake...

But then no a/c during that awful crossing.

group911@aol.co 02-22-2020 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 10760162)
How many lawyers were injured trying to get to the accident scene?

The good news is that it appears the ferry was owned by the community of which one of the women was a member of.
The better news is that they'll probably change things for the better.

masraum 02-22-2020 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn (Post 10760767)
That would be an interesting twist. I'm not sure it would work for that time period? Our Macan has it. The worst, most gimmicky bit of technology. My wife keeps it turned off.

It actually saves a bunch of gas. I don't have a car with it, but I've driven several. I don't much like it either. I assume that I'd get used to it, or maybe not.
Quote:

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 10760840)
But then no a/c during that awful crossing.

With the auto-stop-start feature, if you sit at a light for too long with the motor stopped and the interior heats up, the motor will crank back up to run the AC.


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