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yellowperil 02-20-2020 12:45 PM

I cannot believe this,
 
What we're they thinking, where's the barriers, real barriers, not wheel chocks and a net.
I've been on a few car ferries and I can't believe they would allow this setup (pic)http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1582235058.jpg

masraum 02-20-2020 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowperil (Post 10759087)
What we're they thinking, where's the barriers, real barriers, not wheel chocks and a net.
I've been on a few car ferries and I can't believe they would allow this setup (pic)http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1582235058.jpg

Good stuff. "don't worry, the stick and cloth will stop the cars."

wildthing 02-20-2020 01:12 PM

I read a bit but couldn't get any more information on the cause... Was the car in neutral? Was it in Drive and someone stepped on the gas? I know it's a 7min ride so I assume people stay in their cars, but are they supposed to be shut off and in Park + e-brake/handbrake?

masraum 02-20-2020 01:15 PM

Wait, you mean we're seeing an empty spot where there was a car and now there's a lame submarine?

Wow!

Rikao4 02-20-2020 01:15 PM

agree..
but one should know how to swim also..
especially if your up front..
windows down / seat belt of..

Rika

craigster59 02-20-2020 01:18 PM

I read that she didn't put the car in park, it rolled, she panicked and hit the gas instead of the brake.

When they found them they were embracing each other.

More here: https://www.foxnews.com/us/women-mercedes-submerged-florida-ferry-embrace

masraum 02-20-2020 01:20 PM

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/02/20/florida-ferry-deaths-car-rolls-off-killing-women/4817369002/

Quote:

A ritzy South Florida island community was in shock after two women died when a Mercedes-Benz rolled off a ferry into a shipping channel.

The Miami-Dade Police Department and U.S. Coast Guard are investigating how the blue car holding Emma Afra, 63, and Viviane Brahms, 75, fell from the ferry from Fisher Island to Miami Beach on Tuesday and ended up at the bottom of a 50-foot channel.

After the car submerged, dive crews with Miami-Dade fire and police searched for the women's vehicle. Both were dead when the vehicle was recovered, and the Herald reported they were found embracing.

The ferry totes cars to and from Fisher Island every day, according to the community association's website.

WSVN-TV reported that ferry workers typically place blocks under the tires of the vehicles they're hauling to prevent them from rolling. According to the Herald, thin netting is strung across the edge of the ferry to prevent cars from falling, rather than a metal barrier like the one on the Balboa Island ferry in Newport, California.

obert Sosa, president of the Fisher Island Community Association, told WFOR-TV the group was fully cooperating with the investigation and that safety was a top priority.

"The entire Fisher Island community mourns their loss and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims’ families during this very difficult time," the association said.

Fisher Island is "lauded for its exclusivity and privacy" with "some of the finest amenities in the world," the community association says on its website.

Afra, who lived on the island, was known as a prominent philanthropist who worked on child abuse and sex trafficking issues.

"Emma never took no for an answer, especially when it came to doing something that would help the children and families Kristi House serves. She put her blood, sweat and tears into making sure we had great success in our fundraising efforts," Amanda Altman, CEO of anti-child sex trafficking group Kristi House, said in a statement to WSVN-TV.

Brahms, also a socialite, from Harrison, New York, in Westchester County, was longtime friends with Afra, the Herald reported.

According to the Herald, the Fisher Island ferry has operated for decades largely without incident. In 1997, a woman was killed when her family's boat and the ferry collided, the newspaper reported.

Miami Beach Mayor Dan Gelber said Tuesday's incident was a "jarring tragedy."

"The whole community is very shocked," he told WFOR-TV. "I have a lot of faith that the Coast Guard and cities in Miami Dade that are involved will get into a very thorough investigation to address this and make sure nothing like this ever happens again."

wildthing 02-20-2020 01:23 PM

Terrible tragedy then, but could've been prevented. Put it in Park at least, and better yet, turn off the engine, remove the key (forces Park in newer cars), and pull the hand brake/press the e-brake...

Chocaholic 02-20-2020 01:36 PM

This was two women, one late 60’s, one 75. It can happen. Terrible tragedy.

Jeff Higgins 02-20-2020 02:13 PM

Could it be they did this on purpose? Terrible tragedy for their families either way.

masraum 02-20-2020 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chocaholic (Post 10759150)
This was two women, one late 60’s, one 75. It can happen. Terrible tragedy.

yeah
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Higgins (Post 10759192)
Could it be they did this on purpose? Terrible tragedy for their families either way.

I wondered the same.

LWJ 02-20-2020 03:53 PM

Incompetence.

Lawsuits to follow.

David 02-20-2020 05:55 PM

No chocks in the picture. Gotta wonder if the attendants checked the lead cars before shoving off.

ckissick 02-20-2020 07:15 PM

"...thin netting is strung across the edge of the ferry to prevent cars from falling..."

Yeah, that'll work.

fanaudical 02-20-2020 08:23 PM

I've been on multiple ferries where wheel chocks (but only for those up front / in back) and a cable are the norm...

svandamme 02-21-2020 12:36 AM

Driver was to stupid to live
Ferry operators should know such drivers exist and act accordingly

masraum 02-21-2020 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 10759553)
Driver was to stupid to live
Ferry operators should know such drivers exist and act accordingly

Kind of harsh. Or, maybe they were really distracted.

The best of us can have a distracted moment that ends in irritation or at worst, some sort of grievous harm.

svandamme 02-21-2020 04:05 AM

no , i disagree.

you get on the boat
they tell you to put it in park
P
Even if you forget that crucial bit.
Even if they forgot to tell you

If you can't tell the difference between that big old brake pedal and the gas pedal in an automatic.
It's probably better you drive off a boat
then plow into a gas station as so often happens with old people who can't drive well no more.

You don't see those kind of accidents with Manuals.. It's really a unique problem with automatics,
because it allows people to drive who other wise wouldn't ave been able to.

If you are to stupid to realize that you have reaction time of a boiled carrot, and cannot respond to a VERY simple problem in a car, that requires you to do a VERY simple action.
then that's a problem for everybody

And distracted, well i'm sure there are plenty of dead pedestrians cyclists and innocent people dead because of distracted drivers, it's no different from a bad DIY.
if you get in a car, pay attention to what you are doing.

white85carrera 02-21-2020 04:12 AM

Thelma and Louise

Chocaholic 02-21-2020 04:18 AM

Doubt it. Just a simple mistake by two ladies out for a nice day. We’ve all made dumb mistakes. But no one deserves this.

jhynesrockmtn 02-21-2020 04:41 AM

I've been on multiple ferry rides in WA state and they chock the lead cars. All regular riders know the drill. Engine off, in park, e-brake on. Maybe with this short ride their procedures are different. Jeff may be on to something. Sorry for their families.

Pazuzu 02-21-2020 05:59 AM

I've been on the Fisher Island ferry, the only way to get your car on that thing is to be a multi-millionare resident of the island, or a guest, and guests have to be screened. I almost got bumped because my last name was misspelled on the intake form.
The only way on or off the island is by that ferry, any any resident would know what to do. Hell, they WASH the cars as they get off so there's no sea spray stuck on their Bentleys. The cars are essentially loaded by hand with attendants.

What I'm saying is, they probably don't care about things like chocks and nets because everyone involved is kinda an expert at it. Either her car broke, or she pulled it out of park while grabbing her purse, or she had an "incident" and didn't get it properly loaded.

Zeke 02-21-2020 06:55 AM

Some awful and shameful comment here. Not surprised.

Very sad these ladies had to die this way regardless of fault.

sammyg2 02-21-2020 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by svandamme (Post 10759553)
Driver was to stupid to live
Ferry operators should know such drivers exist and act accordingly

Harsh, but accurate.
People who operate motor vehicles should be expected to operate them in a reasonably competent manner.
But no amount of chocks, guard rails, or other means can completely fix stupid.

PS I find no shame in being honest.

asphaltgambler 02-21-2020 10:36 AM

Was thinking that the divers that recovered the bodies would look to see what position the gear was ever was in?

greglepore 02-21-2020 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 10759776)
Some awful and shameful comment here. Not surprised.

Very sad these ladies had to die this way regardless of fault.

Yeah, really. People need to step back and think. Those were somebodies family.

Whoever posted the "too stupid to live" crap really need to take a step back and examine their emotional intelligence.

RWebb 02-21-2020 10:47 AM

https://www.fisherislandclub.com/transportation

masraum 02-21-2020 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 10759877)
Harsh, but accurate.
People who operate motor vehicles should be expected to operate them in a reasonably competent manner.
But no amount of chocks, guard rails, or other means can completely fix stupid.

PS I find no shame in being honest.

I agree, but I also think it's possible to be honest without being disrespectful. I know that there are some folks that have different ideas about being able to be honest period, and other folks that that are unconcerned about being respectful.

URY914 02-21-2020 11:57 AM

How many lawyers were injured trying to get to the accident scene?

gtc 02-21-2020 02:13 PM

At least these ladies didn't take anyone else with them. On our ferries here in Washington, there are often people standing at the ends of the car deck enjoying the view out over the water.

flatbutt 02-21-2020 03:21 PM

Am I reading this correctly? The car was running and in gear?

Rick Lee 02-21-2020 03:42 PM

I've driven onto lots of ferries in the US and Europe. That's one activity where I follow instructions to the letter, pay attention to the folks in the yellow vests and don't get distracted until everything is extra secure and done moving. Heavy, moving objects and deep water make for an unforgiving environment.

unclebilly 02-22-2020 12:27 AM

Hmmm. Newer Mercedes?

I bet it had start / stop technology. She pulled on. Stepped on the brake, the engine stopped and presumably shut off the engine. I imagine the car put on the brakes.

She either took her foot off the brake or stepped on the gas and it fired up and drove off the boat, just like it would have if she was pulling away from a traffic light that turned green. A wheel chock or net wouldn’t have prevented this.

sc_rufctr 02-22-2020 01:05 AM

The Coast Guard is investigating how the car fell from the ferry, but sources familiar with the investigation told the Herald they believe Afra forgot to put the car in park and hit the gas pedal by accident when it began to roll, accelerating through a barrier and into the water.

The ferry was underway and her car was still running? I find that highly unlikely.

According to the linked story she must have left it in Drive and hit the gas when it rolled. OK I get that!
Yet the other cars are facing the rear of the ferry? Was her car also facing the rear of the ferry?
And if it was why was it in Drive after being Reversed onto the boat? Did she put it in Drive instead of Park?

oldE 02-22-2020 03:04 AM

Peter, the ferry is a double ender. You drive straight on one end and drive off the other. The pilot can operate the boat in either direction.
We have similar craft but because of the extreme tides in the Bay of Fundy the vessels have big ramps on either end. You aren't driving up those.
I'm guessing the theory of 'start -stop' technology may have contributed. Either way, the vehicle was in gear and the brake was not applied. Some mistakes you don't get to say "Sorry "for.

Best
Les

URY914 02-22-2020 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 10760584)
Hmmm. Newer Mercedes?

I bet it had start / stop technology. She pulled on. Stepped on the brake, the engine stopped and presumably shut off the engine. I imagine the car put on the brakes.

She either took her foot off the brake or stepped on the gas and it fired up and drove off the boat, just like it would have if she was pulling away from a traffic light that turned green. A wheel chock or net wouldn’t have prevented this.

Agree

jhynesrockmtn 02-22-2020 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unclebilly (Post 10760584)
Hmmm. Newer Mercedes?

I bet it had start / stop technology. She pulled on. Stepped on the brake, the engine stopped and presumably shut off the engine. I imagine the car put on the brakes.

She either took her foot off the brake or stepped on the gas and it fired up and drove off the boat, just like it would have if she was pulling away from a traffic light that turned green. A wheel chock or net wouldn’t have prevented this.

That would be an interesting twist. I'm not sure it would work for that time period? Our Macan has it. The worst, most gimmicky bit of technology. My wife keeps it turned off.

group911@aol.co 02-22-2020 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wildthing (Post 10759138)
Terrible tragedy then, but could've been prevented. Put it in Park at least, and better yet, turn off the engine, remove the key (forces Park in newer cars), and pull the hand brake/press the e-brake...

But then no a/c during that awful crossing.

group911@aol.co 02-22-2020 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by URY914 (Post 10760162)
How many lawyers were injured trying to get to the accident scene?

The good news is that it appears the ferry was owned by the community of which one of the women was a member of.
The better news is that they'll probably change things for the better.

masraum 02-22-2020 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn (Post 10760767)
That would be an interesting twist. I'm not sure it would work for that time period? Our Macan has it. The worst, most gimmicky bit of technology. My wife keeps it turned off.

It actually saves a bunch of gas. I don't have a car with it, but I've driven several. I don't much like it either. I assume that I'd get used to it, or maybe not.
Quote:

Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 10760840)
But then no a/c during that awful crossing.

With the auto-stop-start feature, if you sit at a light for too long with the motor stopped and the interior heats up, the motor will crank back up to run the AC.


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