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shadowjack1 05-04-2020 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Crowbob (Post 10849371)
Guddamned, POS, f'in worthless, cheapass shoplight gift from my daughter that somedamnhow knows how to shine directly into my eyes no matter what I'm doing.

This sheet right here. SOB's always shine in my face. Broke one just cause it did that.

GH85Carrera 05-04-2020 08:13 AM

Maybe the valve adjustment feeler gauge. Not because it is a bad tool, if I am using it, I am doing a very non-favorite hated job of valve adjustment.

KFC911 05-04-2020 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10851159)
Maybe the valve adjustment feeler gauge. Not because it is a bad tool, if I am using it, I am doing a very non-favorite hated job of valve adjustment.

You just need an Island911 valve adjustment tool ;)!

911 Rod 05-04-2020 08:30 AM

Grease gun for sure and slotted screws.
I thought Mericans loved their slotted screws and felt the Canadian Robertson's were stupid?

RKDinOKC 05-04-2020 01:32 PM

Adjustable wrenches. Grew up calling them Cresent wrenches, quickly started calling them knuckle busters.

Several years ago was given a nice 400 pcs "Cresent" tool set. The only thing in the set that did not have "Cresent" on it was the adjustable wrench!

dad911 05-04-2020 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 911 Rod (Post 10851193)
Grease gun for sure and slotted screws.
I thought Mericans loved their slotted screws and felt the Canadian Robertson's were stupid?

Is there a difference/benefit to Robinson over square?

Newer electrical receptacles and breakers actually have square/phillips combined heads, and I much prefer the square head.

john70t 05-04-2020 06:16 PM

Metal snips. I cut myself and create jagged undulations at the same time.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1588644778.jpg

rusnak 05-04-2020 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GH85Carrera (Post 10851159)
Maybe the valve adjustment feeler gauge. Not because it is a bad tool, if I am using it, I am doing a very non-favorite hated job of valve adjustment.

I have the screwdriver adjustment tool. Fantastic tool, most accurate adjustments ever.

I also have the Kirk Engines tool, but never used it.

A930Rocket 05-04-2020 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 10851695)
Is there a difference/benefit to Robinson over square?

Newer electrical receptacles and breakers actually have square/phillips combined heads, and I much prefer the square head.

I thought the Robinson was the square?

I’d take the Robinson every day of the week over slotted and Phillips.

rusnak 05-04-2020 06:34 PM

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rusnak 05-04-2020 06:56 PM

The "Robertson" screw lost out to the phillips head screw in the USA and rest of the world, while Canada seems to be odd man out with the Robertson. But you do see Robertson bits in just about every driver kit, so they do seem to be catching on for sure.

john70t 05-04-2020 07:59 PM

The flat head has the torque at the outside, but there are only two points of contact, and it is very susceptible to cam-out with deflection angle.

The phillips has four points for strength and alignment, but the rounded ends are also susceptible to cam-out deflection.

The torx square profile seems to have solved all the above.

The Robertson only has torque in the center, and a square shape is not far away from a circle..

sammyg2 05-05-2020 07:44 AM

This

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1588693343.jpg


Haven't used it in decades and it worked fine back then, but ever since it's been a PITA.
Tangles up and snags everything in the tool box, always needs to be re-coiled or whatever you call it, and that's a pain because it doesn't have the fancy sliding handle the new ones have.

I'd throw it away tomorrow but I know if I did I'd need it next week.

I think I'll go out in the garage and zip-tie the bastage. That'll do it.

vash 05-05-2020 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rusnak (Post 10852038)
The "Robertson" screw lost out to the phillips head screw in the USA and rest of the world, while Canada seems to be odd man out with the Robertson. But you do see Robertson bits in just about every driver kit, so they do seem to be catching on for sure.

to be clear, there is a Japanese version JIP?

usually denoted by a dot on the screwhead.

javadog 05-05-2020 09:24 AM

Japanese is JIS...

Good luck finding screwdrivers for those, nobody makes them any more. What they call a JIS screwdriver is really just a Phillips nowadays...

That said, Vessel makes pretty good screwdrivers.

If you want a better flat screwdriver, buy gunsmith screwdrivers.

vash 05-05-2020 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 10852662)
Japanese is JIS...

Good luck finding screwdrivers for those, nobody makes them any more. What they call a JIS screwdriver is really just a Phillips nowadays...

That said, Vessel makes pretty good screwdrivers.

If you want a better flat screwdriver, buy gunsmith screwdrivers.

VESSEL makes a JIS. (JIS. thanks for that)

i had one, that i found in the FJ40 i bought, but i let it go with the FJ.

javadog 05-05-2020 09:55 AM

I researched JIS screwdrivers and found nobody makes them, as they don't want to pay for adhering to the JIS standards. Lot's of people sell what they refer to as the JIS screwdrivers, yet if you read the fine print, they are not.

Have a look at any "JIS" screwdriver. If it has any radius at all in between the points, it's a Phillips. JIS screwdrivers should have sharp, square corners there.

That said, I like the Vessel Impacta series and the ones they make with interchangeable bits. Some of their drivers work better with JIS than others, especially their #1 and #2 sizes.

Looking for JIS? Caveat emptor, baby...

Read this, along with the embedded links:

https://www.webbikeworld.com/hozan-jis-screwdrivers-review/

vash 05-05-2020 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 10852705)
I researched JIS screwdrivers and found nobody makes them, as they don't want to pay for adhering to the JIS standards. Lot's of people sell what they refer to as the JIS screwdrivers, yet if you read the fine print, they are not.

Have a look at any "JIS" screwdriver. If it has any radius at all in between the points, it's a Phillips. JIS screwdrivers should have sharp, square corners there.

That said, I like the Vessel Impacta series and the ones they make with interchangeable bits. Some of their drivers work better with JIS than others, especially their #1 and #2 sizes.

Looking for JIS? Caveat emptor, baby...

Read this, along with the embedded links:

https://www.webbikeworld.com/hozan-jis-screwdrivers-review/

good point. thank goodness i am not a car-guy anymore :D. my Phillips these days; i can get by with my Leatherman multitool.

RWebb 05-05-2020 01:28 PM

We need the Govt. to ban everything except Torx !!

john70t 05-05-2020 01:34 PM

These days, it's a good thing that the fastener always breaks before it strips out.

Bob Kontak 05-05-2020 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by javadog (Post 10852705)
Looking for JIS? Caveat emptor, baby...

Not only that but be careful.

Earlier Camrys have JIS heads on the 6mm bolts that hold the idle air control valve to the TB. I cammed them out with my Phillips and then did some reading. Reading said get the JIS drivers or you'll cam these out.

javadog 05-05-2020 06:07 PM

I have an ancient reed prince screwdriver with a wooden handle that has always been my go to instrument for JIS screws.

Now, I have at least 50 Phillips screwdrivers of all shapes and sizes along with probably twice that many bits that fit screw guns and things like that and I root through those to find the bits most suitable. Usually I can find something that’s a happy fit for these godforsaken JIS screws.

RWebb 05-06-2020 01:29 PM

Bristol Spline, baby!!

sammyg2 05-06-2020 02:22 PM

In my yoot, I spent too many hours running one of these: a 2-1/2" drive IR impact gun. That hole in the top/middle is a threaded hole for the big eye bolt to hang it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1588803312.jpg

It'd hang from a crane and took a minimum of 2 men to run it.
I'd feel it in my bones for a week.


Biggest impact I ever operated was a 4" drive, at the Huntington beach edition generating plant.
We used it to break the head nuts loose on a boiler feedwater pump. Took 4 men to operate it and it had a dead-man's trigger.
Well-named, they're illegal now after a guy got killed by one.

After a couple hours of use the drive square snapped and we had to use an air-arc to cut the remaining nuts. None of us were good enough to scarf off the nuts without getting into the threads, so they brought out an edison old-timer. he was an artist.

Whenever I'm doing something I don't like, I remember days like that and it seems not so bad.

sammyg2 05-06-2020 02:26 PM

Oh and it was loud too.
And cold. Hands would freeze up from the air exhaust blowing right on them. the darned exhaust would work loose and turn from the vibration no matter how tight ya got it and always ended up blowing on your hands. Senior guys knew not to get on the trigger side.
Newer guns have a twist throttle, lots safer.

Bob Kontak 05-07-2020 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sammyg2 (Post 10854397)
In my yoot, I spent too many hours running one of these: a 2-1/2" drive IR impact gun.

It gets delivered to the fastener with a forklift. Wow.

john70t 05-07-2020 06:07 AM

I'm surprised those bitty pipe handles didn't just snap right off every time.

I once used a two grip 1" drive on tractor/trailer wheels. (thought it was bigger than that actually)
That little thing was a loud enough beast.


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