Thoughtful reopening analysis

[tubwreck]

Seventy dense pages, but seems to cover the territory pretty well...

http://www.mhtc.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/MHTC-COVID-19-Briefing-5.1.20.pdf

[RWebb]

bump

[RSBob]

Impressive compilation of data, analysis and strategy.

Not surprising I hear nothing but crickets from our more esteemed colleagues.

[island911]

What's to say?

Spain handed out 10M masks? that seems smart.

MA has over 3k deaths? Is that more than Sweden? (Shaun?)

[tubwreck]

Originally Posted by island911

MA has over 3k deaths? Is that more than Sweden? (Shaun?)

Yes. Sweden 2700, Massachusetts 4200.

[legion]

Nothing should have ever been shut down.

[LWJ]

Fascinating. Oregon has tested at 5% positive fairly consistently. We seem to be somewhat in control.

I can't get Past the idea of a huge number of a symptomatic carriers. It just seems to fit.

Numbers don't show it.

[Chocaholic]

Originally Posted by legion

Nothing should have ever been shut down.

Monday morning quarterback. Please show where you posted that two months ago.

[legion]

Originally Posted by LWJ

Fascinating. Oregon has tested at 5% positive fairly consistently. We seem to be somewhat in control.

I can't get Past the idea of a huge number of a symptomatic carriers. It just seems to fit.

Numbers don't show it.

If most of the people that get this show no symptoms, it makes this virus less severe than a common cold. We shut down the country over that?

[Jay Auskin]

Originally Posted by legion

If most of the people that get this show no symptoms, it makes this virus less severe than a common cold. We shut down the country over that?

The report reiterates it has a high infection rate that can (and did) overwhelm hospitals. Because of this, I don't understand this comment?

Is your comment the usual, "What's right for Chicago, isn't necessarily right for Illinois"? Having lived in Chicago for 39 years, I get it. But, there are a lot of big cities in the USA, and they needed to be shut down.

[legion]

Originally Posted by Jay Auskin

The report reiterates it has a high infection rate that can (and did) overwhelm hospitals. Because of this, I don't understand this comment?

Is your comment the usual, "What's right for Chicago, isn't necessarily right for Illinois"? Having lived in Chicago for 39 years, I get it. But, there are a lot of big cities in the USA, and they needed to be shut down.

Then shut down the big cities that actually have problems and leave the rest of us alone.

[nota]

50 kinds of cv-19 mutations/types or more
different euro and china cv-19 bugs types reported
NOBODY KNOWS which kill or do nothing why or how or spred rates
or if there is lasting emunity even to the same strain or not

type O- blood does better but no clue why
women do better then men but no clue why

sure lets open up without massive testing NOW

[Tobra]

If it mattered whether we shut everything down or not, California would be at least as bad as New York.

When did they finally shut down Disneyland, middle of March maybe? Where are all the dead people that got infected there? Where are all the people that went to sporting events in February and March that got sick?

I think that a different strain of this virus hit the East coast than what hit the West coast, but that is just a guess.

[RWebb]

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Tobra

I think that a different strain of this virus hit the East coast than what hit the West coast, but that is just a guess.

Given the vastly different reports of how it behaves the possibility of different strains should definitely be considered.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

Originally Posted by legion

Then shut down the big cities that actually have problems and leave the rest of us alone.

As long as you are OK using that model with federal taxes and federal funding. States with big cities pay more in taxes to the federal government than they get back in federal funding. Basically, blue states allow red states to exist. We can definitely leave you all alone.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by legion

Then shut down the big cities that actually have problems and leave the rest of us alone.

Knowing what we know now, that might not be such a bad idea. I do think dividing the country by state when the states themselves are so diverse is a bad idea. The Appleknockers down in Cobden could still be working and paying taxes to support Illinois while it fights with the virus in Chicago. I'm not sure if a governor can subdivide it's state in that way though.

[HardDrive]

Originally Posted by Chocaholic

Monday morning quarterback. Please show where you posted that two months ago.

^This.

Yes, because everyone in February knew exactly how this was going to turn out. Oh please....

[legion]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

As long as you are OK using that model with federal taxes and federal funding. States with big cities pay more in taxes to the federal government than they get back in federal funding. Basically, blue states allow red states to exist. We can definitely leave you all alone.

My rights to free assembly, free exercise of religion, and my ability to freely engage in commerce have been deprived without due process. There is at least a plausible argument that a handful of cities in the country are in a state of emergency. The rest of the country, not at all.

[Tobra]

Originally Posted by Shaun @ Tru6

As long as you are OK using that model with federal taxes and federal funding. States with big cities pay more in taxes to the federal government than they get back in federal funding. Basically, blue states allow red states to exist. We can definitely leave you all alone.

False equivalency