Onboard for a F/A-18 carrier landing

[rcooled]

Just watching this 2min video was a rush...can't even imagine what piloting one of these things must be like

Expand to full screen & turn it up...

[flatbutt]

Man! The way he blew by the carrier and then lined that sucker up straight off of that hard left was dang impressive! Maybe routine for him but day-um.

[rcooled]

Originally Posted by flatbutt

Maybe routine for him but day-um.

Day-um indeed! No radio comm either...

Doing that for the very first time must be one truly intense experience.

[beatnavy]

Imagine in bad weather. At night. Low on fuel

[pavulon]

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[widgeon13]

Originally Posted by beatnavy

Imagine in bad weather. At night. Low on fuel

Thinking the very same thing!

[John Rogers]

When I did my second trip to Vietnam on board the "Big E" in 1973 I requested and was granted permission to get a "backseat drivers license" in one of the F4 Phantom squadrons. To get that you had to pass a written test, pre flight physical, take several classes: ejection seat, get out of a submerged ejection seat and drop from the parachute tower. I did two flights, first from Cubi Point Naval air station up to Clark AFB and return several hours later. The pilot did some hot dogging around the mountains in the PI to see what I would do......no puking thank goodness. The landings were like regular air strips. Two months into a bombing series they had a several F4s that needed engine testing as the test stand had been OOC due to a fire so my boss, CDR Davis called me and asked if I wanted another ride......half hour notice, yes SIR! The cat shot was a blast and I had to hold onto the hand grips really hard. We flew for 15 minutes, did a couple rolls and a run to full throttle on both engines and then we landed! Caught the 2nd wire and I think my insides stayed rearranged for 2 or 3 days as that is a fairly violent stop!

I was happy I could walk fairly normal after the canopy went up and I was told to finally unbuckle and climb out. I guess that is the reason I used to tighten my racing belts back when racing the vintage 914-6??!!

As a payback I would take the pilots that were working towards qualifying as OOD and sign off and tour them in the engine room and reactor spaces as I was the only E6 qualified as Engineering Watch Supervisor and that was the requirement. I still have my cards including an elevator pass so I could get to the bridge at GQ as the COs phone talker.

[pavulon]

Originally Posted by widgeon13

Thinking the very same thing!

[70SATMan]

I remember watching some of the first 18s during Carrier Quals before being approved for duty. Can't believe it's been that long since. I still remember the Tomcat Pilots reactions to those "tiny birds".

[bob deluke]

Amazing to see A3 “whale” land on a flight deck during night ops in Nam. Big plane, usually caught the 3rd or 4th arresting gear cable off the angle deck. I got catted off our carrier on a Wiley Fudd to daNang to get mustered out. Quite an experience. Navy pilots are the best....

[ted]

Originally Posted by bob deluke

Amazing to see A3 “whale” land on a flight deck during night ops in Nam. Big plane, usually caught the 3rd or 4th arresting gear cable off the angle deck. I got catted off our carrier on a Wiley Fudd to daNang to get mustered out. Quite an experience. Navy pilots are the best....

The A3 was always the first to land.
It used the most fuel and we did not want it depleting our overhead airborne tanker.
Also the A3 had no ejection seats, scary ride.

Served as an ATC on the USS Ranger. Danger Ranger.
Radar controller, ran ACLS final approach controller, Marshal and Departure controller.
Back in the days of stat boards and writing backwards with a grease pencil on Plexiglas.
Still get my 3 and E confused sometimes.

On ship our crib was a couple decks below the catapult.
The most noise though was from the arresting gear screeching every landing.

Out in the Indian Ocean doing figure 8s for 80 days during Blue water ops.
Blue water ops means there are no divert fields and that the carrier is the only place to land.

[Ryan_Cunningham]

Originally Posted by rcooled

Day-um indeed! No radio comm either...

Doing that for the very first time must be one truly intense experience.

There is quite a bit of comm, you just can't hear it because it goes through the mic in the mask and the speakers in the helmet.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by beatnavy

Imagine in bad weather. At night. Low on fuel

And with a really full bladder from a long mission.

[ted]

Originally Posted by Ryan_Cunningham

There is quite a bit of comm.

True we recovered 40/50 airplanes each recovery.
The Marshal controller on a separate frequency stacked 40 or so planes 20 miles behind the carrier.
Each plane was vertically separated by 1000 feet and issued a start approach time one minute apart.
The planes would depart marshal stack 5 miles in trail, if they departed marshal on their one minute window.
There were 2 More frequencies Approach A and approach B, and pilots stayed on one frequency from 20 mile final to landing.

Everyother aircraft was on the same frequency.

So approach A Controller guides the plane from 20 mile to a 5 mile final.
Final radar controller guides the plane from 5 mile final to 3/4 mile final.
3/4 mile to landing is controlled by the lso watching from the carrier’s aft deck.
All 3 are sharing the same frequency and when the lso starts giving instructions to a plane on short final the other 2 radar controllers yield the frequency.
It was amazing to participate in such a well timed operation.
Fly Navy!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_signal_officer

[bkreigsr]

Where's all of the computer aid stuff?
Heads-up display?
On-screen graphics showing attitude/position?

That was all seat-of-the-pants?

Yikes

[Ryan_Cunningham]

I'm familiar, though I don't think you've got a stack of carrier based aircraft up to 40k' unless they're holding in burner, each with a tanker attached. You pretty much described Case II and III recoveries.

The videos are Case I - "Clear and a million."

[Ryan_Cunningham]

Originally Posted by bkreigsr

Where's all of the computer aid stuff?
Heads-up display?
On-screen graphics showing attitude/position?

That was all seat-of-the-pants?

Yikes

He has all of those, you tend to place the camera so none of it is recorded so information isn't gleaned and used by other actors.

[ted]

Originally Posted by Ryan_Cunningham

I'm familiar, though I don't think you've got a stack of carrier based aircraft up to 40k' unless they're holding in burner, each with a tanker attached. You pretty much described Case II and III recoveries.

The videos are Case I - "Clear and a million."

Air boss runs the pattern if its daylight no weather and not a recovery.
There was always f-14s on patrol 200 miles from the carrier that would depart to relive other fighters that were already on watch.

At night or anytime there was weather the recovery was as described.
We launched 40 and 90 minutes later they all landed.
That was in 82.
What experience on a carrier gives you insight into Marshal control?

The inflight tanker at 3000 was always vectored over the low fuel short final arrival.
In case of a bolter (hook skip) the go around climbed Quickly to 3000 feet for fuel.

Impressive to experience naval aviation.

[Ryan_Cunningham]

Originally Posted by ted

What experience on a carrier gives you insight into Marshal control?

Impressive to experience naval aviation.

I was a Marine F/A-18 pilot with three deployments.

And I agree, few others things can compare to a carrier operating at sea. It's an orchestra to a level few can imagine.

***Edit***

I'm heading back to Miramar this Fall to be an F-35 sim IP, happy to grab beers and talk about the good old days sometime! I'm a baby, all things considered, but things have changed even since I started flying Hornets in 2011.

[ted]

Originally Posted by Ryan_Cunningham

I was a Marine F/A-18 pilot with three deployments.
And I agree, few others things can compare to a carrier operating at sea. It's an orchestra to a level few can imagine.

Awesome! Come on over I’ll grill burgers.
Last time I visited a carrier the f18 had been flying for a couple years.
The catcc controller said the f18 did all the duties of many old jets.
That now a recovery had changed to 3 different f18 flights continuously Landing and launching.

How many traps have you made?
Hawk a top Gun co and my catcc commander Nicnamed me Moth. Whats your nickname?
Happy landings