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dad911 01-01-2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 11162648)
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These people are the worst kind. BAD asthma. Like take a preventer twice a day kind of asthma and can still wear a mask with no issues. Also asthmatics are so much more high risk with Covid so don’t be an idiot, wear a mask for your own safety and everyone else’s!.....

Agree, I've had asthma since birth. Painting contractor I know died a few weeks ago. His other condition was asthma also. under 40 years old.

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11162779)
It also appears to me the both new cases and deaths have peaked in the US.

Based on the social media pics I've seen of holiday and new years celebrations, be prepared for a record peak mid January.

Sooner or later 01-01-2021 11:14 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1609528460.jpg

Sooner or later 01-01-2021 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 11162807)
if it is foolish to begin with then why are you ?

I didn't, you did. I only asked why you campare Sweden to the US and not include their sister nations.

You picked the favorable comparison and ignored the ones that hurt your case.

Sooner or later 01-01-2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 11162811)
Agree, I've had asthma since birth. Painting contractor I know died a few weeks ago. His other condition was asthma also. under 40 years old.



Based on the social media pics I've seen of holiday and new years celebrations, be prepared for a record peak mid January.

It will probably climb back just like it did for a couple of weeks after Thanksgiving and then, hopefully, trend back down.

island911 01-01-2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11162820)
I didn't, you did. I only asked why you campare Sweden to the US and not include their sister nations.

You picked the favorable comparison and ignored the ones that hurt your case.

Don't lie, you did just compare... (bolded below)

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11162798)
If you want to compare nations (which is foolish to begin with) how are neighbors Norway and Finland doing compared to Sweden?


Sooner or later 01-01-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 11162826)
Don't lie, you did just compare... (bolded below)

I said 'If YOU want to compare nations".

island911 01-01-2021 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11162830)
I said 'If YOU want to compare nations".

And then brought in neighboring Norway and Finland to compare to Sweden, and then said that you didn't compare.

Sooner or later 01-01-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 11162842)
And then brought in neighboring Norway and Finland to compare to Sweden, and then said that you didn't compare.

I said for YOU to compare.

Comparing countries with vast differences is foolish. There are also significant differences between Sweden and it's sister countries.

sugarwood 01-01-2021 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 11162765)

It looks like masks work.

speeder 01-01-2021 03:47 PM

Yes they are.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/bill-nye-tiktok-mask-demonstration/507-737367c7-fe16-4a68-b61b-7670d486156e

group911@aol.co 01-01-2021 03:51 PM

Your sniveling obfuscation sounds just like the idiot in the video above. Pivot, dance, sidestep, pivot, dance, repeat.
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Originally Posted by island911 (Post 11162826)
Don't lie, you did just compare... (bolded below)


speeder 01-01-2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 11163129)
Your sniveling obfuscation sounds just like the idiot in the video above. Pivot, dance, sidestep, pivot, dance, repeat.

Bill Nye?

sugarwood 01-02-2021 01:52 PM

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island911 01-03-2021 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by speeder (Post 11157910)
Why are anti-maskers always psychotic? :confused:

hmmm.... https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/journalist-anitmaskers-beat-death

sugarwood 01-11-2021 02:02 PM

Isn’t their whole argument of not wearing a mask is that it’s freedom of choice? Why do they care if others are wearing a mask if it’s their choice. Make it make sense.

How dare you wear a mask when my grandma beat covid without one.... is there a mask that protects you from stupid?

sugarwood 01-15-2021 05:34 PM

2 days after voting to not require masks, COVID-19 shuts down the Missouri House

https://www.kmov.com/news/2-days-after-voting-to-not-require-masks-covid-19-shuts-down-the-missouri-house/article_da88fb87-74f0-587b-aab5-5f9e374a4f10.html

What did they think was going to happen? Was Kenneth Copeland going to come in and blow away the virus with his Jesus breath? It's like a pandemic of stupid.

sugarwood 01-23-2021 09:38 AM

Covidiot throws a fit at Costco
https://mirror.fro.wtf/mirror.php?file=l2umla.mp4

pavulon 01-23-2021 10:13 AM

They're always smarter than anyone else within shouting distance. As if anyone asked them.

Shaun @ Tru6 01-23-2021 10:52 AM

Remember when everyone here said it was just the flu and 80,000 was OK.

island911 01-24-2021 10:55 AM

Covidiot throws a fit at PPOT
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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 11194500)

see how that works?

thor66 01-24-2021 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarwood (Post 11184356)
2 days after voting to not require masks, COVID-19 shuts down the Missouri House

https://www.kmov.com/news/2-days-after-voting-to-not-require-masks-covid-19-shuts-down-the-missouri-house/article_da88fb87-74f0-587b-aab5-5f9e374a4f10.html

What did they think was going to happen? Was Kenneth Copeland going to come in and blow away the virus with his Jesus breath? It's like a pandemic of stupid.

Exactly

pmax 01-24-2021 11:41 AM

LOL ... thread's still here.

Danish Mask Study: No Benefit

Published: November 18, 2020

The Danish randomized controlled trial on the real-world efficacy of face masks against coronavirus infection – the first of its kind – has now been published in the Annals of Internal Medicine. As expected, the trial found no statistically significant benefit of wearing a face mask. The study used “high-quality surgical masks with a filtration rate of 98%”.

For political reasons, three major journals had previously refused to publish the Danish study.

Meanwhile, US researcher Yinon Weiss has updated his charts on mask mandates and coronavirus infections in various countries and US states. The charts indicate that mask mandates have made no difference, or may even have been counterproductive.

People who want to avoid a coronavirus infection must avoid situations in which they can get infected. If they cannot avoid such situations, and if they belong to a high-risk group, they should discuss prophylactic and early treatment options with their doctor, which according to international studies may reduce the risk of severe disease and hospitalization by up to 90%.

The Danish study: Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers. A Randomized Controlled Trial. AIM 2020.

https://swprs.org/danish-mask-study-no-benefit/

Follow the science.

Sooner or later 01-24-2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pmax (Post 11195821)
LOL ... thread's still here.

Danish Mask Study: No Benefit

Published: November 18, 2020

The Danish randomized controlled trial on the real-world efficacy of face masks against coronavirus infection – the first of its kind – has now been published in the Annals of Internal Medicine. As expected, the trial found no statistically significant benefit of wearing a face mask. The study used “high-quality surgical masks with a filtration rate of 98%”.

For political reasons, three major journals had previously refused to publish the Danish study.

Meanwhile, US researcher Yinon Weiss has updated his charts on mask mandates and coronavirus infections in various countries and US states. The charts indicate that mask mandates have made no difference, or may even have been counterproductive.

People who want to avoid a coronavirus infection must avoid situations in which they can get infected. If they cannot avoid such situations, and if they belong to a high-risk group, they should discuss prophylactic and early treatment options with their doctor, which according to international studies may reduce the risk of severe disease and hospitalization by up to 90%.

The Danish study: Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers. A Randomized Controlled Trial. AIM 2020.

https://swprs.org/danish-mask-study-no-benefit/

Follow the science.

From the link in your report. Hardly conclusive

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

The findings, however, should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections, because the trial did not test the role of masks in source control of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

This means that study participants' exposure was overwhelmingly to persons not wearing masks.

pmax 01-24-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sooner or later (Post 11195860)
From the link in your report. Hardly conclusive

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

The findings, however, should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections, because the trial did not test the role of masks in source control of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

This means that study participants' exposure was overwhelmingly to persons not wearing masks.

You missed the green font.

Bunch of "car guys" won't be getting to the bottom of this "science" stuff.

onewhippedpuppy 01-24-2021 08:34 PM

Funny how all of the things that lockdowns, masks, and social distancing were supposed to accomplish have been a total failure and yet some of you still fearfully cling to them with all your might. Funny how the curves for places that were locked down and places that were free look pretty damn similar. But feel free to hide inside, I personally can’t wait to spend my summer at the lake in MO where freedom still exists. Just like last summer. Btw I’m an “essential worker” which I think makes me infallible, right? At least that’s what social media will teach you, how brave I am to be going to the office every day:D Maybe I need to make some TikTok videos to reinforce my narcissism?

group911@aol.co 01-24-2021 09:16 PM

Or maybe, you could grow some and go work in the trenches with all the front line workers.
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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11196460)
Funny how all of the things that lockdowns, masks, and social distancing were supposed to accomplish have been a total failure and yet some of you still fearfully cling to them with all your might. Funny how the curves for places that were locked down and places that were free look pretty damn similar. But feel free to hide inside, I personally can’t wait to spend my summer at the lake in MO where freedom still exists. Just like last summer. Btw I’m an “essential worker” which I think makes me infallible, right? At least that’s what social media will teach you, how brave I am to be going to the office every day:D Maybe I need to make some TikTok videos to reinforce my narcissism?


Tobra 01-24-2021 10:00 PM

Seems to me Markus mentioned that Sweden's numbers are skewed by their MENA immigrant population, making comparison to neighbors a bit misleading

Hey Terry

beepbeep 01-24-2021 11:49 PM

Funny enough, Sweden has just decided to stop all movement from Norway as they are experiencing a flare-up of problematic UK-strain of Covid. Not too long ago, it was other way around.

Porsche-O-Phile 01-25-2021 12:35 AM

More likely “front line workers” aren’t trying to be heroic - merely keep themselves employed and / or keep their healthcare.

All the same I’m glad they’re still out there keeping some of what’s left of our society going.

onewhippedpuppy 01-25-2021 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by group911@aol.co (Post 11196482)
Or maybe, you could grow some and go work in the trenches with all the front line workers.

I’ve gone to work every day during this entire charade, interacting with people from all over the USA and Europe. I’ve travelled regionally to the best of my ability including to neighboring states with little to no restrictions. My three kids have been in school (mostly) and still playing sports, participating in activities, and interacting with friends. I have five members of my immediate family that are patient facing healthcare workers, including one who had mild symptoms and tested positive for CV. All of them over the last year have had hours cut or been furloughed due to the “health emergency”. They think the reaction to CV has been 100% politically motivated.

What’s your story?

thor66 01-25-2021 12:16 PM

Funny how some idiots think the reaction to CV has been 100% politically motivated.

pavulon 01-25-2021 12:34 PM

If 100% politically motivated, why hasn't it all "gone away" when Biden was sworn in and why isn't it a US only issue?

Shaun @ Tru6 01-25-2021 01:03 PM

First, the entire world has it so politically motivated seems like a bit of a stretch. But even if it were, I know, I know, but even if it were, I thought it was supposed to disappear on November 4th. Instead there's a new strain that is more contagious.

I'm not sure how even you Qurious guys you can reconcile that.

group911@aol.co 01-25-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11196637)
I’ve gone to work every day during this entire charade, interacting with people from all over the USA and Europe. I’ve travelled regionally to the best of my ability including to neighboring states with little to no restrictions. My three kids have been in school (mostly) and still playing sports, participating in activities, and interacting with friends. I have five members of my immediate family that are patient facing healthcare workers, including one who had mild symptoms and tested positive for CV. All of them over the last year have had hours cut or been furloughed due to the “health emergency”. They think the reaction to CV has been 100% politically motivated.

What’s your story?


onewhippedpuppy 01-25-2021 05:05 PM

You didn’t answer my question Bob. Which typically means you don’t have a response. Don’t try to call somebody out if you can’t back it up.

island911 01-26-2021 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pavulon (Post 11197183)
If 100% politically motivated, why hasn't it all "gone away" when Biden was sworn in and why isn't it a US only issue?

Because keeping it around continues to give them control over others.

Perhaps you haven't noticed but one thing politicians cannot get enough of is control over others.

island911 01-26-2021 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11197651)
You didn’t answer my question Bob. Which typically means you don’t have a response. Don’t try to call somebody out if you can’t back it up.

Yeah, he hates that you (and 99% of everyone) walk around with a functioning immune system. And not living in fear must really piss him off.

sugarwood 01-26-2021 09:16 AM

Can someone explain exactly how COVID reaction was politically motivated?
Exactly who was behind it, and what was their political goal?

Who exactly is behind all this? Obama?
Did the WHO or CDC conspire to make COVID affect the politics?
Was Faucci some kind of illuminati free mason Bill Gates mind controller used to affect politics?

thor66 01-26-2021 01:24 PM

Often the stupid are lucky.

group911@aol.co 01-26-2021 01:30 PM

Naw. Just not dumb enough to run around bragging about my ignorant carelessness.
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Originally Posted by onewhippedpuppy (Post 11197651)
You didn’t answer my question Bob. Which typically means you don’t have a response. Don’t try to call somebody out if you can’t back it up.



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