Fooking Snap-on
 

Some of you know, I'm in tool buying mode because I want to do this 4runner thing with my kid.

Most my mechanic's hand tools have been scattered all over the shop, many pieces have gone missing. I had an old Craftsman set from 25 years ago. There are maybe 15 pieces left. I bought a new, small Snap-on set. I think it was 22 pieces, half standard and half deep sockets, metric. These damn thing do not fit the bolt. It is a tiny bit too big. I tried them on a couple of bolts and they fit a bit loose. If I go and turn it, the bolts get rounded just enough and they are stuck in the socket.:eek: You guys seen this crap? The bolt fits perfectly other sockets I have hanging around. This is their 6 point socket. Anyone experience this? Here I am thinking, I am going to buy something nice and keep it around the house for myself only.

I have lots of snapon sockets. have not experienced what you describe. I use mine on an air powered impact most of the time what size socket is doing this?

14 and 17. Haven't use to others yet. Both deep Sockets.

Never have had a problem with a Snap-on socket (6 point) rounding of a bolt.

I am going to try other bolts tomorrow. I wonder if there's a way to contact Snappy about that?

Measure the inside width of the socket.

I have a LOT of 6 point snap on sockets. Never one problem over the last 20+ years and many revolutions.


Could they be knockoffs? Did you buy from the snap on dealer?

I will and report back.

I bought it from a Snappy truck that stops by a bunch of indy repair shops. My friend has a shop there but not auto related.

Is it possible that these two bolts are actually imperial not metric?

17mm is close to 11/16 inch.

14mm is close to 9/16 inch.

Flank drive may allow a somewhat loose fit but still work well

BTW, don't forget to lay in a bunch of JIS screwdrivers

No, they are off the Toyota 4 runner. I tried several, not one. I can feel it that's something isn't right.

Maybe take the sockets down to the hardware store/engineering supplies and check them on some good quality 17mm and 14mm bolts.

All my Snap on sockets fit all the bolts and nuts I’ve tried them on. Both Porsche and Toyota.

Maybe a screw up on labeling the sockets at the factory?

I have had issues with sockets and wrenches fitting on the Land Cruisers, but haven't used Snap-On. The best fit have always been Craftsman. My experience goes back to the early 1980's FJ60's.

Other stuff just didn't fit tight.

Is it real snap-on or ' blue point their off brand?

Measure across the flats. Report back.

It's either a knock-off or defective.

I've used a mix of Snap-On, Mac, (thirty-five year old) Craftsman and a hodge-podge of "offish brands" for many years and never had a problem like the one described in the OT.

Several years ago I won a full cheapo kit (wrenches, sockets, etc.) for being KP in a golf tournament (helluva a shot, I gotta say). The tools looked okay in the packaging, but as soon as I picked up one of the wrenches and saw the variations in wall thickness and obviously poor forging, then checked the other wrenches and the sockets and found them to be the same ... out to the curb with a "Free" sign they went.

That's the lack-of-brevity way of saying that if you have Snap-On wrenches or sockets that won't fit high quality Japanese nuts and bolts they need to go back.

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15 mm is becoming quite common on both metric and Fractional machines. Sometimes they can can surprise you, when a 14mm or a 9/16" won't fit and a 17mm or a 5/8" is a bit too big.

8/16 is 14.2875 so that won't help.

In the meantime while solving the issue, just smash some aluminum foil over the bolt with the socket and a soft hammer, brass, plastic or hard rubber. Best to use the thick stuff.

Becoming quite common maybe, but if I recall correctly, the OP is working on a 3rd gen 4Runner, a truck that is chock-full of 14mm and 17mm bolt sizes, but where you'll few (if any) 15s.

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Reminds me of my wife’s old Range Rover sport, I went to take off a wheel and could not get the socket over one of the lugs. They all looked identical and the socket worked on every other lug on the whole truck.
I went up a size and was able to get if off, but how strange, measured the head and it was about 1 mm bigger.

Replaced it, but how strange...

Snap on sockets/wrenches, are hands down best fit on any bolt head. Look carefully, to see if you have cracked the socket . Maybe a hair line crack right at the very top of the tool. That is about the only time I have problems or, I have had to replace a few that just plain wore out from years of use .
When snap on's "flank drive" first came out. I was hesitant to replace thousands of dollars worth of wrenches and sockets just to get the newest gimmick.
I had a 12 mm bolt on a Honda, that was totally rounded, and I was fighting it when the snap on man came in . I tried every socket and wrench I owned, and had that bolt totally rounded off .
I told him, that if "flank drive " removes this bolt, I will replace all of my tools with it right now. I ate my words that day, and went right back on the easy payment plan.

Those lug nuts rust under the chrome acorn cap, and swell . I see it all the time . Chrysler 19mm, and 22 mm , I have to pound on a 20 mm, or 7/8" socket to get some of them off
Takes me 45 minutes to a damn state inspection, because I have to pound the sockets on , then take them over to the vice, and pound the lug nuts back out of the socket . grrrr.

Some data points for look 171 when he gets off his a** and measures some things !

I measured a lot of my Snap-on tools. 6 Point sockets in the size range discussed averaged between .20 - .35 mm larger than the number on the tool. That makes a 14mm socket 14.20 - 14.35mm between the flats.

The size variance is directly related to the amount of use i have subjected them to. A size that was rarely used consistently was about .20 mm larger than it's labeled size and the heavily used ones were consistently .32-.35mm larger than labeled size.

I have never had any of these slip on a good fastener regardless of their wear.


Randomly, i have a first gen 4Runner in the shop now and i measured 14mm Toyota bolt heads at 13.95mm across the flats. No problems removing those with my 14.27mm 6 point Snap-on socket.

-Lorin

Wait till you start taking out the phillips head screws on that 4 Runnner.
Those screws are JIS, Japanese industry standard, and a Philips will strip them out.
I ended up buying some JIS cross points for my 88 Hi LUX, they work for both cross points and phillips.

Did you talk to the fooking guy on the snap on truck?
Get a large tool box and put everything in there.

With a key.

Here is the master key for motorcycle covers:
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594313116.jpg

................went right back on the easy payment plan


And thar you go:D

The Range Rover lug nuts are the worst....

Finally got off my ass to measure the sockets and work got my kid to do some more work on it. The dimensions on the both socket seems to be dead on according to some of you.

Oh, pics forgot them.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1594526501.jpg
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It must be the JIS bolts. I have never encounter them working on older Japanese cars but then again, I haven't worked on cars for over 20 years or work on them enough. The sockets are .3 or .4mm over.

Tell me more about these damn JIS bolts. What sockets or wrenches do you pros use on them?

Unsure where the hand tools from Snap-on are made, but the tool boxes are made a few miles from my home town. made in Algona Iowa.. Employs a few of my friends.. so I always root for them

I think you need to get OGV profile sockets for the Japanese rigs:

https://www.facom.com/produits/OGV-Grip-Description.html

Would that eventually eat into the head of the fastener causing it to no longer grip the hex area inside? I realized some of the bolt I wanted to take out has the ever slightly rounded corners. They aren't stripped, factory.

got a close up pic of the bolt?

Can you measure a bolt head ? The ones i just took off this Toyota also have radiused corners.

For brand new sockets, those are definitely a little larger than mine.

A good quality 9/16" six point socket could work better if your 14 mm is slipping..

Be sure they are 100% engaged, i.e. hammered on.

Here's a couple of vids of how much this socket moves. That's too much and if the fastener is tight, it will strip. There are a couple of bolts up front near the radiator.

Dang it, file must be too big. I don't know how to post video?

Craftsman. They fit Toyota trucks/suvs when others do not.

I'm a Snap-On fan. My 1/4 drive ratchet ate its drive gear. I met the Snap-On truck at a local garage, and it was fixed in five minutes. So much easier than any return to department store.