How many min. wage worker hours - $30,000 ??

[sugarwood]

Differentiate between hiring college educated interns looking for career springboard experience vs. dead end job fast food and retail workers.
Both earn minimum wage but they have nothing to do with each other. Expecting them to perform the same is obnoxiously tone deaf and clueless

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Differentiate between hiring college educated interns looking for career springboard experience vs. dead end job fast food and retail workers.
Both earn minimum wage but they have nothing to do with each other. Expecting them to perform the same is obnoxiously tone deaf and clueless

Ayles asked me a question and I responded.

BTW, we also bring on disadvantaged kids in high school, especially in NC. We take that out of profit. The talent spread for ambition is the same.

You need to stop thinking it is about you.

[Bigtoe32067]

I don’t know where most of you live but I live in rural Texas and two of my stepsons work at Whataburger. The 18 year old has been there about a year and makes $9.70/hour and the 16 year old just got hired a few weeks ago and makes $9.30/hour.
Their older brother worked at McDonalds and the grocery store a few years ago and made around $9/hour.
Our minimum wage is $7.25/hour
As far as what they’ve said when they were looking for jobs, I don’t believe there were any minimum wage jobs around here and our median household income is $10k less than the national average.
Tony

[wdfifteen]

Minimum wage/entry level jobs are where a lot of kids learn how to work. Work itself is a skill, you need to know how to show up on time, pay attention to the task at hand, take orders and instruction from superiors, etc. I have worked with a couple of guys who never had a real job until after they were out of college. One of them was an Air Force first lieutenant - he had no idea how to behave in the work place.

[Ayles]

Thanks Seahawk, great perspective.

[Ayles]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Minimum wage/entry level jobs are where a lot of kids learn how to work. Work itself is a skill, you need to know how to show up on time, pay attention to the task at hand, take orders and instruction from superiors, etc. I have worked with a couple of guys who never had a real job until after they were out of college. One of them was an Air Force first lieutenant - he had no idea how to behave in the work place.

What does behavior in the workplace even mean? After working at an advertising agency and a videogame studio I have seen it all. There are huge deltas on what is ok in the workplace depending on what you do.

[island911]

^There are huge deltas on what is ok in the workplace - 100%

But, I expect there is only ONE correct way, in wdfifteen's mind.

[island911]

a UAS that swims in water then transitions to flight

That sounds absolutely. . . ducky!

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

Minimum wage/entry level jobs are where a lot of kids learn how to work. Work itself is a skill, you need to know how to show up on time, pay attention to the task at hand, take orders and instruction from superiors, etc. I have worked with a couple of guys who never had a real job until after they were out of college. One of them was an Air Force first lieutenant - he had no idea how to behave in the work place.

Originally Posted by Ayles

What does behavior in the workplace even mean? After working at an advertising agency and a videogame studio I have seen it all. There are huge deltas on what is ok in the workplace depending on what you do.

Seems pretty on point to me. "Behave" meaning understanding what is expected of you and actually doing it.

[cabmandone]

Originally Posted by island911

^There are huge deltas on what is ok in the workplace - 100%

But, I expect there is only ONE correct way, in wdfifteen's mind.

There's only one in my mind too. Be professional.

Now someone will probably ask what "professional" means.

[island911]

Hey man, I rarely agree with Ayles, so just let it be.

Seriously, expected behavior varies greatly.

I worked at one place where the expected behavior was to lie for gubmint largess. Whereas other places expected behavior is to provide solutions that make people's lives better.

Perhaps wd's Air Force first lieutenant was uncomfortable fleecing a client just because his boss said so? IDK...

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Ayles

What does behavior in the workplace even mean? After working at an advertising agency and a videogame studio I have seen it all. There are huge deltas on what is ok in the workplace depending on what you do.

You’ve worked at an ad agency and a video game studio and you’ve seen it all?
OK...

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by island911

a UAS that swims in water then transitions to flight

That sounds absolutely. . . ducky!

Sub folks have already given the system a name. Lots of work to do but to get inside the sub bubble is huge for us.

Concerning the workplace?

I ran a lot of big programs in the Navy, had a 450 person office and twice that in support contractors, which I grew from 20 folks to a juggernaut.

I started early and often: This is how we will do business: Zero sexual harassment, no racial epithets directed either way, open door for other issues. We had processes in place that made reaction at the Command level an imperative if required, made it hard to dissemble.

None of this is hard, apparently, if you are not...

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by cabmando

Now someone will probably ask what "professional" means.

Apparently it means doing whatever the fcuk you feel like doing and collecting a paycheck for it.

[Dantilla]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Do you seriously expect people getting paid minimum wage to perform anything beyond minimal work? You get what you pay for.

I am absolutely amazed at my daughter's work ethic.
Recent college grad (debt free), she had a string of temporary jobs, some near/on campus, summer jobs while home.

Everywhere she has worked, they wanted her back. Her job on campus begged her to stay throughout the summer, offering a raise.
"Nope. I'm going home. See you in the Fall"

She found out one of her co-workers was mocking her behind her back, wondering why she cared so much.
"It's not like she is going to get paid any more than us..."
What co-worker didn't know was she already had a substantial raise.

My daughter took a minimum wage jobs, then proved herself to be worth more.
She told me the typical lazy millennial makes it really easy to stand out.

Now graduated, she is the newest and youngest person at her new job, and they are already grooming her for management.

[RWebb]

Originally Posted by sugarwood

Differentiate between hiring college educated interns looking for career springboard experience vs. dead end job fast food and retail workers.

I think there are some important distinctions. [1] College student interns in engineering is covered above.

[2] fast food/retail - either a job in HS before they move on to college, or... they can move up by adding "human interface" skills - e.g. a young barista here who was amazing at that - I told her to get a better job (nursing) but I could see her as a concierge (if they had such here) or running some front end for a hotel etc.

I'll add another:
[3] construction - you might start out as grunt labor (shovel operator) but move on to a skilled trade like carpentry or to running a scoop loader

[Ayles]

Originally Posted by wdfifteen

You’ve worked at an ad agency and a video game studio and you’ve seen it all?
OK...

Should say, that stuff went on all legal that would not fly at 99% of the places around.

Like getting an email that too many people are streaming movies and that they needed to have people stop for a bit so they could get a build of a game out. The amount of alcohol consumption at the ad agency was staggering. Kegerators on every floor. No rules around when only that beer couldnt travel between floors. All acceptable behavior and were great tech jobs.

I also worked at a rock radio station right out of college and that is a whole different level than even the ad agency and gaming companies.