Mask Mask Mask

[Crowbob]

Though seemingly reasonable, the sarcastic 9mm vaccine progressing to .45 and ultimately to nukular immunity analogy is terminally flawed. And cute in a condescending sort of way.

In actual fact, immunity against one virus does (but not always) precipitate an immunity to another virus of the same class.

Of course, taking a 9mm once does not protect against taking a 9mm again, let alone taking a .45. Progressing all the way to eventually acquiring nukular immunity is like saying strong viral immunity will provide protection against bacteria.

Comparing a .45 to a coronavirus is like comparing a bumper sticker to War and Peace, even facetiously just to make a point. Effective and if it works for you, spread the word!

[harvardma]

There was an Adams Family episode where Gomez walks in with a parachute and states that he has been opening it lower and lower and figures eventually he won’t even need it.

[creaturecat]

the mask is about protecting other folks, more than anything.
it's a strange contradiction - the negative responses to mask wearers.
basic instilled hatred - the fabric that facilitates a divide and conquer mentality.
you're with us or against us ....... etc etc.

[Shaun @ Tru6]

[island911]

Originally Posted by harvardma

There was an Adams Family episode where Gomez walks in with a parachute and states that he has been opening it lower and lower and figures eventually he won’t even need it.

Is that like wearing less and less of a mask?

I mean bandanas?

Edge leaky surgical masks that lose there evectivity in 20-30 minutes? (and leak around the edges)

Would any of you go into a room full of covid positive people who were wearing bandanas or surgical masks? - you know, with the covid positive virus shedders those masks will protect the other people.^TM

[dennis in se pa]

Originally Posted by unclebilly

That’s an interesting reason to have all that crazy secks with all those strange womens... doing it for the immune system!

Yes yes

[manbridge 74]

My body, my choice...

[island911]

Red shirt is wearing his to protect other people!

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by gshase

We are not anti mask by any means but that is what you hear about on the news. When our daughter was born 26 years ago and due to her health condition we were warned from ever touching door handles, elevator buttons or anything the public touches. We use our knee shirt or skirt to open door handles. I watch people grab a door handle then adjust their mask touching their face. That door handle is touched by 250+ people a day and I doubt it ever gets wiped down.

Hope Elissa is doing well.

I agree. It is amazing how much people will get fixated on masks (for or against) and totally ignore potential cross contamination by direct contact, esp. checkout lines and such.

[stevej37]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

Hope Elissa is doing well.

Yes..how has her return to 'normal' daily life been?
Getting her full strength back?

[brainz01]

Originally Posted by Crowbob

Though seemingly reasonable, the sarcastic 9mm vaccine progressing to .45 and ultimately to nukular immunity analogy is terminally flawed. And cute in a condescending sort of way.



In actual fact, immunity against one virus does (but not always) precipitate an immunity to another virus of the same class.



Of course, taking a 9mm once does not protect against taking a 9mm again, let alone taking a .45. Progressing all the way to eventually acquiring nukular immunity is like saying strong viral immunity will provide protection against bacteria.



Comparing a .45 to a coronavirus is like comparing a bumper sticker to War and Peace, even facetiously just to make a point. Effective and if it works for you, spread the word!

Agreed.

There's a lot of false equivalency in this thread.

The fact is, the healthy human body does an amazing job defending against viruses and bacteria. Indeed, we've evolved to symbiotically co-opt some to assist with our digestion and metabolic processes. We're made up of more foreign cells than human cells.

At risk people should wear quality masks. Everyone else should be allowed get on with their lives.

[rwest]

Slightly related, this guy from WI has been letting deadly snakes bite him and injecting their venom to try and build up immunity to venom.

https://www.outsideonline.com/2395803/snakebite-antivenom-tim-friede

[LEAKYSEALS951]

I'm sharing this as I found it an interesting read. I was going to post several days ago but didn't. This was posted on a professional study group website. I'm not trying to knock anyone down or reinforcing anyone's prior stances above in this thread, just sharing.

https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809

[brainz01]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

I'm sharing this as I found it an interesting read. I was going to post several days ago but didn't. This was posted on a professional study group website. I'm not trying to knock anyone down or reinforcing anyone's prior stances above in this thread, just sharing.

https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809

Thank you for posting. And bless that man for writing such a thoughtful summary of where we are today.

Must read.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by LEAKYSEALS951

I'm sharing this as I found it an interesting read. I was going to post several days ago but didn't. This was posted on a professional study group website. I'm not trying to knock anyone down or reinforcing anyone's prior stances above in this thread, just sharing.

https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809

From the article. This didn't happen.


"So: Sars-Cov-2 isn’t all that new, but merely a seasonal cold virus that mutated and disappears in summer, as all cold viruses do — which is what we’re observing globally right now"

[LEAKYSEALS951]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

From the article. This didn't happen.


"So: Sars-Cov-2 isn’t all that new, but merely a seasonal cold virus that mutated and disappears in summer, as all cold viruses do — which is what we’re observing globally right now"

Agreed. That is why I don't share it as gospel, nor do I share it to prove a side. This article is ripe for grabbing at stuff to support for debate. That isn't my intent. I could see where Stadler would view it "merely a seasonal cold virus" as that from his perspective. I was more intrigued by the concept of shattered viral genomes interpreted as reinfections on pcr testing. That could explain much. The partial immunity concept also fascinates me (as a puzzle piece) :

It also became known that Sars-CoV-2 had a less significant impact in areas in China where Sars-1 had previously raged. This is clear evidence urgently suggesting that our immune system considers Sars-1 and Sars-Cov-2 at least partially identical and that one virus could probably protect us from the other.


Even if true, I would quantify that as one piece of a larger puzzle, which we may never know the exact answer to, which is a bummer, because, I'd really like to know the exact details.

Earlier in this thread the concept of the 9mm vs 45 was made, then the idea of Gomez and the parachute (or someone from the munsters... or something like that ). I personally think both sides of that might be right to some degree. For me- more info needed.

[wdfifteen]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

"So: Sars-Cov-2 isn’t all that new, but merely a seasonal cold virus that mutated and disappears in summer, as all cold viruses do — which is what we’re observing globally right now"

It's mid August and it doesn't seem to have disappeared. If it is cold virus, and is clearly no seasonal one (as can be observed in January through August 2020) can we assume it has the same rate of immunity as other cold viruses, which is only a matter of a few weeks?

[brainz01]

Originally Posted by Sooner or later

From the article. This didn't happen.





"So: Sars-Cov-2 isn’t all that new, but merely a seasonal cold virus that mutated and disappears in summer, as all cold viruses do — which is what we’re observing globally right now"

He never said it didn't happen. He said the underlying family of virus isn't new and that such family of virus is largely seasonal (which is why the southern hemisphere is having higher mortality now). And yes corona viruses are often responsible for the common cold/flu. None of that is ground breaking - - in fact, it's so well understood that the author seems embarrassed at how overblown the hysteria became amongst his cohorts, and especially regarding the idea that there was/is no natural immunity.

Flus and colds kill people. No question. Has COVID killed more than usual? Yep. But that doesn't mean that there's no immunity and that we should all freak out.

Indeed, it's worth noting that flu mortality was below trend in prior years (not discussed in the article). It's actually theorized (and possible) that COVID had greater mortality in 2020 at least partly due to there being an abundance of susceptible people - - people that, on average, would have died sooner but for a light flu season in years past.

If you're immuno-compromised, by all means, be careful. But as a society, our best chance at surviving AND living a normal life is to have all the healthy people get out there and get over the virus. Healthy people get herd immunity so the sick don't die. Masks and lockdowns for all, particularly at this stage in the epidemic, only extend the pain and economic harm.

It's time we get on with living. That's the author's point.

[Sooner or later]

Originally Posted by brainz01

He never said it didn't happen. He said the underlying family of virus isn't new and that such family of virus is largely seasonal (which is why the southern hemisphere is having higher mortality now). And yes corona viruses are often responsible for the common cold/flu. None of that is ground breaking - - in fact, it's so well understood that the author seems embarrassed at how overblown the hysteria became amongst his cohorts, and especially regarding the idea that there was/is no natural immunity.

Flus and colds kill people. No question. Has COVID killed more than usual? Yep. But that doesn't mean that there's no immunity and that we should all freak out.

Indeed, it's worth noting that flu mortality was below trend in prior years (not discussed in the article). It's actually theorized (and possible) that COVID had greater mortality in 2020 at least partly due to there being an abundance of susceptible people - - people that, on average, would have died sooner but for a light flu season in years past.

If you're immuno-compromised, by all means, be careful. But as a society, our best chance at surviving AND living a normal life is to have all the healthy people get out there and get over the virus. Healthy people get herd immunity so the sick don't die. Masks and lockdowns for all, particularly at this stage in the epidemic, only extend the pain and economic harm.

It's time we get on with living. That's the author's point.

He has gone too far with what he is claiming. He also stated it would come back as a cold. Not that if it comes back it might come back as a cold. That it would come back as a cold.

So far, he was wrong about it dying out in the summer and could possibly be wrong about it coming back as a cold.

I agree that we need to get back to a more normal society. I just don't like to see exaggerations on either side of the subject. It ain't a cold and it ain't the Black Plague.

[island911]

This is 2017 (CDC)



A lot of people die each day. Thousands in the US. Every day. Cold & flu seasons push a few more hundreds over the edge. -every day!

Some people insist that we must stop living until people stop dying.

Paradoxical, that.