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Tobra 09-01-2020 05:40 AM

How is Linux as a computer operating system
 
I will never purchase another Microsoft based product again, but I don't like Apple. How is Linux?

GH85Carrera 09-01-2020 05:57 AM

It is different.

If you like having to figure things out, and learning it can be great. Most of the instructions are written for someone that has used Linux for years, so they can be clear as mud.

Everything you need for day to day ordinary life is available. Email, web browsing, word processing, spreadsheets, and the other mainstream stuff.

sc_rufctr 09-01-2020 06:02 AM

I'm on a Linux Mint right now. I built this laptop about 2 years ago and I've had virtually zero issues. (very rare lock up with powering off the only way to fix it) There are always updates coming down but otherwise it seem almost bullet proof.

The only reason you'd stay with windows IMO is if you had an app that doesn't run on Linux.

Latest version here: https://linuxmint.com

cabmandone 09-01-2020 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tobra (Post 11009258)
I will never purchase another Microsoft based product again, but I don't like Apple. How is Linux?

Download a copy, load it on your hard drive in separate partition or create a bootable thumb drive and run it from USB. What I'm saying is, you can give it a test drive on the system you currently have.

I've run Ubuntu on a few different laptops. Also did Chromium on another old laptop.

KFC911 09-01-2020 06:38 AM

Just another flavor of Unix... so ask Thom ;). Unix... a lean & mean OS (I have no favorite), but used it on many high end servers ($250K +), including $10M big iron for much of my career. They all have pros & cons....but if your're not inclined to be a "geek", and want off the shelf.... Apple and Windoze are still the lessor of the evils imo.

And they are evil :D

fanaudical 09-01-2020 06:44 AM

+1 for Linux Mint. I do have both Mint and Win 10 computers (have several CAD applications that won't run on Mint). Mint runs great on older hardware and is quite stable.

masraum 09-01-2020 06:45 AM

Linux is pretty mature. It'd be a bit of a learning curve coming from Windows, but I'm sure nothing that you can't handle.

I'm an IT nerd and have been tinkering with various operating systems since the late 80s. Many, many years ago, I tinkered with Linux. It was OK then, but is much, much better these days.

I've been a Microsoft/Windows guy since I started, but liked to tinker with other stuff. I stopped the Windows stuff at Win 7, and just replaced a 9 year old Win 7 PC with a new iMac 27". I bought my wife a Macbook Air many years ago, and took the first two weeks that we owned it to learn it so I could provide her with tech support once she started using it. After that two weeks, I determined that my next PC would be an apple. They are excellent.

masraum 09-01-2020 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cabmando (Post 11009298)
Download a copy, load it on your hard drive in separate partition or create a bootable thumb drive and run it from USB. What I'm saying is, you can give it a test drive on the system you currently have.

I've run Ubuntu on a few different laptops. Also did Chromium on another old laptop.

I'm voting for the bootable USB or CD/DVD. I wouldn't recommend that most folks start screwing around with the partitions on a working PC. I've done it in the past.

dad911 09-01-2020 06:49 AM

Didn't the mac os grow out of unix?

sc_rufctr 09-01-2020 06:52 AM

Also... If you have an older LT that runs like a dog on Windows, using Linux Mint instead is a good way of speeding things up.

It's a less than 10 second from boot up to password screen on my 4 years old laptop. And another 5 or 6 seconds after entering your password to the desk top. There's no going back to Windows IMO.

masraum 09-01-2020 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 11009353)
Didn't the mac os grow out of unix?

Yep. MacOS is based on Unix. You can get to terminal and look at a pretty standard Unix OS.

legion 09-01-2020 07:02 AM

I run Ubuntu on one of my laptops. I use it for web-browsing and word processing. It's pretty intuitive. I've never had to "figure anything out". I just let it run updates a few times a week.

JackDidley 09-01-2020 07:23 AM

Linux rocks. Its free. It can do as much or as little as you need. I can have a fresh install running on my laptop in 5 minutes. I prefer Puppy Linux. If yo go to Distrowatch.com you can find a lot of info and and download a variety of linux distributions. Easy to load on a bootable flash drive and run. Then decide if you want to install.

flatbutt 09-01-2020 08:30 AM

What's the advantage of Linux over Windows?

legion 09-01-2020 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11009510)
What's the advantage of Linux over Windows?

1. Uses way less system resources. I run Ubuntu on a Celeron with 2GB of ram and it performs similar to Windows 10 on my i5 with 8GB of ram. It's also a great way to make old hardware useable again.

2. Doesn't constantly send information about you back to Microsoft. Doesn't automatically download software you don't want or need.

3. It's free. It's stable. It is actively improved.

Big disadvantage is if you need to use software that is only available on Windows. You can try to fiddle with emulators and other things to try to make it work, or you can keep some Windows machines around (my solution). Like I said, it's a great OS for web surfing and light use of office productivity applications (word processor, spreasheet, etc.).

Vipergrün 09-01-2020 08:54 AM

centos, mint, ubuntu, etc are all good. Install OpenOffice for your docs, spreadsheets, etc. Install your favorite browser, and you should be 90% set depending on what you need to do. There is HUGE community support as well. I remember a former CEO proclaimed in 2009 or so that Linux and UNIX were dead. He did not last long. LOL I would recommend taking a basic Linux course and learn basic terminal commands. Oh, and never run the command rm -rf /

Tobra 09-01-2020 08:59 AM

I will have to speak to the electronic health records people and see if it will fly. Might have to keep this laptop on windows, and migrate everything else over.

masraum 09-01-2020 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11009510)
What's the advantage of Linux over Windows?

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 11009522)
1. Uses way less system resources. I run Ubuntu on a Celeron with 2GB of ram and it performs similar to Windows 10 on my i5 with 8GB of ram. It's also a great way to make old hardware useable again.

2. Doesn't constantly send information about you back to Microsoft. Doesn't automatically download software you don't want or need.

3. It's free. It's stable. It is actively improved.

Big disadvantage is if you need to use software that is only available on Windows. You can try to fiddle with emulators and other things to try to make it work, or you can keep some Windows machines around (my solution). Like I said, it's a great OS for web surfing and light use of office productivity applications (word processor, spreasheet, etc.).

I think the 2 primary reasons that most folks use Linux is #2 and #3 above. It's free, and there's no "Big Brother" aspect.

Or you could potentially (depending upon how savvy you are) create a partition on your hard drive to install and dual boot windows. I haven't done that in probably 15 years. It wasn't hard then, but it wasn't simple either. I assume it's much easier now than it was.

dad911 09-01-2020 09:12 AM

A long time ago we had a windows server in our office, set up by a small company (tenant at the time of set-up) who 'kept the secrets'.

A few years later it crashed (well, it was hacked as a mail relay server because of my idiot brother-in-law)

Knowing nothing about linux, or email/file servers, I picked up a 'server' distribution of linux they had on the shelves at Barnes & Nobles, and figured I'd give it a go. I was able to replace the functions of the windows server on a spare PC in a weekend.

A few years later, (against my protests) My brother/partner was sold on a 'Professional Server' Windows based Dell system.

Rinse & repeat.

Now I use a Synology box (linux based)

tl;dr - A linux set up will be faster and more reliable. There will be a learning curve. The biggest change will be learning the linux equivalents of any software you use, and if you 'need' a specific program, you may not find an equivalent that runs on linux.

Pazuzu 09-01-2020 10:32 AM

The real power behind Linux is when you work from the terminal. I had a Linux box as my office workstation for 15 years, with a copy of Windows 7 in a VMware environment for the one single program that we needed which was Windows only.
I don't think I ever used the workstation outside of the terminal. SED, AWK and VM are incredibly powerful for file manipulation.

masraum 09-01-2020 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11009734)
The real power behind Linux is when you work from the terminal. I had a Linux box as my office workstation for 15 years, with a copy of Windows 7 in a VMware environment for the one single program that we needed which was Windows only.
I don't think I ever used the workstation outside of the terminal. SED, AWK and VM are incredibly powerful for file manipulation.

But can they read, display and edit a word doc or excel spreadsheet? ;)

I got this Mac and was all excited about having terminal on my home PC, but I haven't found much to do with it which is irritating.

RWebb 09-01-2020 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11009734)
The real power behind Linux is when you work from the terminal. I had a Linux box as my office workstation for 15 years, with a copy of Windows 7 in a VMware environment for the one single program that we needed which was Windows only.
I don't think I ever used the workstation outside of the terminal. SED, AWK and VM are incredibly powerful for file manipulation.

I grep that

JackDidley 09-01-2020 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatbutt (Post 11009510)
What's the advantage of Linux over Windows?

Quote:

Originally Posted by legion (Post 11009522)
1. Uses way less system resources. I run Ubuntu on a Celeron with 2GB of ram and it performs similar to Windows 10 on my i5 with 8GB of ram. It's also a great way to make old hardware useable again.

2. Doesn't constantly send information about you back to Microsoft. Doesn't automatically download software you don't want or need.

3. It's free. It's stable. It is actively improved.

Big disadvantage is if you need to use software that is only available on Windows. You can try to fiddle with emulators and other things to try to make it work, or you can keep some Windows machines around (my solution). Like I said, it's a great OS for web surfing and light use of office productivity applications (word processor, spreasheet, etc.).

I will add that you do not need antivirus and you do not need to defrag or disc clean up and you can update if you want but do not really need to. I started running Mint from a flash drive. Then tried several distros on a partition along side Windows. Linux just keeps getting better. I only use Windows for certain things.

KFC911 09-01-2020 01:49 PM

I ran Unix for performance reasons on high end servers, and other servers like DNS, and even on mainframes for network stuff like TCP stacks, OSPF, etc. Twas the only option ;)....

I prefer complex Op Systems though.... it kept me employed.

I was a systems guy....more OS's than I can remember....much less count :D.

Alan A 09-01-2020 03:11 PM

If you have a Linux machine keep a windows one handy so you can still google how to fix the install or upgrade that just bricked it.

To be fair I had Debian with an Nvidia graphics card that was 95% of that issue.

Nowadays I use a Mac. All the power of Linux but with the office suite still working. Since they now have 64G of ram they’ll do most of what I need.

dad911 09-01-2020 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan A (Post 11010277)
..... Since they now have 64G of ram they’ll do most of what I need.

I remember being happy with a 64k upgrade..... SmileWavy

KFC911 09-01-2020 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 11010315)
I remember being happy with a 64k upgrade..... SmileWavy

Why anyone would need all that memory is dumbfounding :D

masraum 09-01-2020 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackDidley (Post 11010115)
I will add that you do not need antivirus and you do not need to defrag or disc clean up and you can update if you want but do not really need to. I started running Mint from a flash drive. Then tried several distros on a partition along side Windows. Linux just keeps getting better. I only use Windows for certain things.

defrag or disc cleanup? 1995 called and they want their 486back.

masraum 09-01-2020 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad911 (Post 11010315)
I remember being happy with a 64k upgrade..... SmileWavy

Hah, my first PC in college had 640k. I remember fiddling with the himem.sys and autoexec.bat trying to maximize the mem util. Loading games from 5.25" and 3.5" floppies because it didn't have a hard drive, but then a couple of months later, I bought a 32MB "hard card" (hard disk mounted on a HDD controller that fit in an ISA slot). I think my next upgrade was a VGA card that I think came with 512k RAM, which I eventually upgraded to 1MB. I never did upgrade the RAM for the PC though. There was a 384k upgrade that you could get.

JackDidley 09-01-2020 05:24 PM

If you want a fast, easy linux test drive, go here https://www.linuxliveusb.com/ download and save LiLi. Format a flashdrive to FAT 32. Open LiLi install and run. It will ask where to install linux. Select the flash drive. It will ask you to select a linux and where to save it. There are several, Tahrpup 6.0 is fast and simple to use. Install it to the flash drive. Only takes a few minutes. When it is done reboot to the flash drive. I have an easier method but it is limited in the selection of linux distros.

JackDidley 09-01-2020 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11010401)
defrag or disc cleanup? 1995 called and they want their 486back.

Dude, my Windows 10 OS still has disk clean up. What Windows are you using ??

masraum 09-01-2020 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackDidley (Post 11010429)
Dude, my Windows 10 OS still has disk clean up. What Windows are you using ??

Sure, it's got it, but I'm not sure how necessary it is. I used to do it but stopped because I stopped seeing a benefit.

Brando 09-01-2020 06:07 PM

Linux is great - you just have to get a system that is setup how you want. I've been running Pop!_OS for a month (instead of upgrading from Win 7 to Win 10). They have pre-built/pre-configured systems as well.

https://www.system76.com/

Alan A 09-01-2020 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC911 (Post 11010398)
Why anyone would need all that memory is dumbfounding :D

I started on a 6502 with 16k of ram.

Now honestly I could do with another 64G for my laptop on top of what’s in there. Some things didn’t change for the better...

Pazuzu 09-02-2020 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masraum (Post 11009938)
But can they read, display and edit a word doc or excel spreadsheet? ;)

YES!
AS long as you remember to save them as a .TXT or a .CSV file. :D

masraum 09-02-2020 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pazuzu (Post 11012216)
yes!
As long as you remember to save them as a .txt or a .csv file. :d

lmao!

svandamme 09-03-2020 04:57 AM

Linux as main OS: if you have to ask, you probably won't like it.

those who like it, would just get it , try it, and live with it.

legion 09-03-2020 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pazuzu (Post 11012216)
YES!
AS long as you remember to save them as a .TXT or a .CSV file. :D

Using Libre OpenOffice, you can edit .doc, ,docx, .xsl, .xslx and so on.

The only problem I've had with OpenOffice is trying to print spreadsheets. Their functionality for selecting what to print, setting margins, and text size is lacking compared to MS Office.

74-911 09-03-2020 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RWebb (Post 11010097)
I grep that

But can you "vi"

svandamme 09-03-2020 06:55 AM

it's not always a question of can you vi
but do you know how to get out of it


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