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250 GT SWB Berlinetta Competizione ‘Revival’
Why waste $$ on a Singer, when you could have this?
I've seen 2 articles on it so far. IIRC, one was in Petroluscious https://www.carscoops.com/2020/09/gto-engineering-launches-ferrari-250-gt-swb-berlinetta-competizione-revival/ |
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09-03-2020, 04:43 PM
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Interesting. I wonder what the cost would be if you told them to forgo the custom V-12, and use an off the shelf drivetrain.
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WOW. Their own V-12 and gearbox. Impressive!!
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Cool looking car but I would think the buying pool for this specific car would be tiny.
You're talking about someone who loves the GTO, who can afford a $1 million+ car, but can't (or not want to) spend the $12-14 million for a real one. Seems like too specific of a buyer. |
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09-03-2020, 05:37 PM
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A car costing a million as a daily driver?
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09-03-2020, 11:56 PM
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That’s a pretty car. Bet it sounds good!
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09-04-2020, 03:42 AM
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How do you suppose Ferrari and their lawyers will receive this imitation?
Singer is starting with mid year 911 and going crazy with them. It seems these guys are building their own chassis, bodies, suspension and engines based upon a 60 year old design, which has been fiercely guarded by Marinello. I don't see this ending well. Best Les
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09-04-2020, 04:14 AM
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I bet there are plenty of customers at a 'paltry' $1M - more than the time needed to build them |
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09-04-2020, 09:56 AM
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According to the article they've built 50 cars. OK but this is a very expensive "toy".
Will it hold its value long term? I don't really know but I think a Singer will do better. If you break even on something like this you're doing really well. However the people that buy these cars don't care about depreciation. Or what do those same people spend on clothes every year? - A lot!
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Some nice details.
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09-04-2020, 06:55 PM
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if it was a gullwing M-B would have it crushed but is there a statute of limitations on the Intellectual Property, i.e. maybe old enough to be public domain? There was a similarly good looking DB4GTZ being built in Melbourne before Aston did the sanctions, IIRC.
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Achingly beautiful. And I agree that there are plenty of 400i’s and the like that could donate their Colombo V12s to be restored to period correctness for what must be substantially less than an in house engine build.
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09-04-2020, 07:31 PM
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I like the car.. I wouldn't mind owning one, and if I had the wherewith all would probably buy one. An original is a piece of history...and if wrecked well so much for that piece of history. This is a car to drive and enjoy. Even if very carefully..and certainly not in traffic. The last thing yo would want is some yahoo in a beat Subaru without insurance to plow into you because he is on a bender..
A better term for it would be a RECREATION> Before they marketed it, one would bet they got a license agreement from Ferrari. Depreciation will depend on how many cars are built..the fewer the better.. If the mfg says I am only going to build so many cars..then it becomes finite..where price will be supported.
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GTO is not the first to build replicas and Ferraris at that. A US patent lasts 20 years. Patents issued in other countries do not apply here and vice versa.
It is possible to copyright a design but you are copyrighting the likeness as represented on paper or other forms of graphics. That's good for 70 years (there is more to this than space allows). You can also get a design patent good for 14 years. Build all you want, but wait a few years. Look at the Cobra. |
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09-05-2020, 05:11 AM
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Wow, super sweet!
Hmm, if I was spending a ton for a Ferrari 250 that was REALLY well done, but not scary to drive, how much would I prefer a nice V12 to an LSx? Yeah, I'd much, MUCH rather have the V-12. Actually, an LSx might not be the best motor for it. The cheapest, easiest to get parts for, most reliable and powerful, probably. But I think there's got to be something more fitting. Even if you couldn't get the V-12 sound, it would at least be nice to get something with similar feel, a similar revability and similar powerband.
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Well, enzo said that when you buy a ferrari, you're buying the engine...he throws the car in for free. You might be surprised the amount of "original" race ferraris that have nothing original about it....except for an ID tag. And this is completely acceptable in the ferrari world. The main thing is that the history has been documented.
That being said, these are replicas, but fantastic ones. A couple years ago I started learning how to metal shape. Ultimately, this will be my retirement gig. I think there will be plenty of people willing to shell out a million for one of these, and ferrari clubs won't shun them.
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